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Old 12-02-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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Originally Posted by wjtwet View Post
As far as political labels , liberal certainly does mean leftist
As much as I hate having to resort to a dictionary link, you are definitely asking for it.

liberal - definition of liberal by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.


and

Liberalism
1. The state or quality of being liberal.
2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
4. Liberalism
a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

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The Right's equation of Liberal with "leftist' has never been correct.
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Originally Posted by Strel View Post
As much as I hate having to resort to a dictionary link, you are definitely asking for it.

liberal - definition of liberal by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.


and

Liberalism
1. The state or quality of being liberal.
2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
4. Liberalism
a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

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The Right's equation of Liberal with "leftist' has never been correct.
very good dictionary definition, however my statement stands as a political label in this country liberals certainly means left.
When in the political arena the moment to name someone liberal they are left of center therefore leftist.
In the political arena when you say someone is liberal politically you do not think of of them as right/
But nice dictionary definition
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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very good dictionary definition, however my statement stands as a political label in this country liberals certainly means left.
When in the political arena the moment to name someone liberal they are left of center therefore leftist.
In the political arena when you say someone is liberal politically you do not think of of them as right/
But nice dictionary definition
You people and your convenient labels....

I meet the dictionary definition of Liberal, am also a capitalist and moderately libertarian. I'm not leftist, and never have been.

Your pigeonholes are fictional.
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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You people and your convenient labels....

I meet the dictionary definition of Liberal, am also a capitalist and moderately libertarian. I'm not leftist, and never have been.

Your pigeonholes are fictional.
No i deal with the truth like most liberals you do not want the truth. let me repeat in a political context if someone is liberal they are left of center
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Clayton, MO
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well todays liberals are totally opposed to Jesus. .
You are making a sweeping generalization. I am a social liberal, and I embrace Jesus's message. Most liberals I know accept and respect his message of love, tolerance and peace as well. Condeming, judgement and discrimination is in the arena of the social conservatives, because they seem have the corner market on that. The hypocrisy of social conservatives makes my head spin.

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liberals want things like speed bumps
Speed bumps keep idiots from driving 45 mph through my neighboorhood and potentially running over children. Yeah, what a waste, right?
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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Those folks who fought for blacks to have equal rights, the folks who separated religion from science, the ones whose tax dollars subsidize the highways in conservative areas, the folks who typically have higher educational backgrounds, and the folks who are standing in the way of America turning back to feudalism. That's an American liberal for you, with the exception that the modern day liberal leaders don't have the courage to push forward the agenda which gets them elected...
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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No i deal with the truth like most liberals you do not want the truth. let me repeat in a political context if someone is liberal they are left of center
Thanks for proving me right. I see that you are not someone that can cast an obkective eye on...well anything, probably.
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Don't you know those pesky speed bumps restrict my freedom to be an individual and prove it by racing thorough your neighborhood? Just keep the kids off my race track so I can display my machoness for the entire world to admire.

I’ll agree that my economic ideals or completely free and open competition in all forms of business might seem leftist to an advocate of crony capitalism and corporatist government. The leftist comes from the observation that my economic ideas are very bad for businesses that want to dominate their part of the pie.

I would guess that my Liberalism can include my position on gun control. That is each individual has right to chose a legitimate target and the responsibility to hit it with the first shot.
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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As much as I hate having to resort to a dictionary link, you are definitely asking for it.

liberal - definition of liberal by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.


and

Liberalism
1. The state or quality of being liberal.
2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
4. Liberalism
a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

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The Right's equation of Liberal with "leftist' has never been correct.
The lefts adoption of "liberal" in order to proclaim itself as the definition is one of the problems.

They do not fit the definition.

The problem with liberals is that they never allow for a true identification of their position as they keep changing the meaning of words to avoid being seen for the reality of their position.

A true liberal in the definition sense IS a conservative or maybe libertarian today such as your example shows, but as I said, definitions need not apply these days as those who proclaim themselves are so slippery in display that nothing can stick to them.
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Africanboy- I completely agree. Many liberals have forgotten how to fight for liberty and justice for all.
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