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Looking at your post, it is easy to conclude that common sense is not so common. Look closely at what you just wrote, and try to apply it to self and see where you stand. You would technically be speaking to self.
James Madison had a quote along the line you just preached...
"The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it. Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?"
Think about it.
What money? I haven't the time to give to this its proper response as I must hurry off to work now.
However, everything, always boils down to, money when it comes to people. It seems it isn't love that makes the world go round today.
The will of the person who is enacting government laws, it spiritually led to do so. (can't surgically be removed)
Our government was set up so as to allow the people to self-govern themselves.
The will of the people over the will of the organized government so as to keep, all, honest.
It isn't perfect, but hell, neither are the people.
So god really did tell Bush to invade Iraq. Tell me does god tell people to discriminate against gays, restrict stem cell research, deny that atheists are "patriots, and citizens," protest a soldier's funeral or a little kid's funeral, masturbate in public, cheat on their spouse's because they were "working so hard to save America?" Is that the spiritual guidance we are getting from the "lord?" If so, perhaps it's time for a recall election of him.
The will of the person who is enacting government laws, it spiritually led to do so. (can't surgically be removed)
Our government was set up so as to allow the people to self-govern themselves.
The will of the people over the will of the organized government so as to keep, all, honest.
It isn't perfect, but hell, neither are the people.
Okaaayyyyyyyy......
If I can penetrate the grammar, I might figure out how to respond to that.
So god really did tell Bush to invade Iraq. Tell me does god tell people to discriminate against gays, restrict stem cell research, deny that atheists are "patriots, and citizens," protest a soldier's funeral or a little kid's funeral, masturbate in public, cheat on their spouse's because they were "working so hard to save America?" Is that the spiritual guidance we are getting from the "lord?" If so, perhaps it's time for a recall election of him.
In defending our country and defending our honor, what does the atheist purpose the people do?
In defending our country and defending our honor, what does the atheist purpose the people do?
Who said anything about defending the nation? Iraq had nothing to do with defending the nation. None of the stuff I mentioned has anything to do with defending the nation or honor. What do I propose we do? Stay the hell out of everyone else's business and worry about fixing our broken economy.
Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost Looking at your post, it is easy to conclude that common sense is not so common. Look closely at what you just wrote, and try to apply it to self and see where you stand. You would technically be speaking to self.
James Madison had a quote along the line you just preached...
"The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it. Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?"
Think about it.
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Originally Posted by actonbell
What money? I haven't the time to give to this its proper response as I must hurry off to work now.
However, everything, always boils down to, money when it comes to people. It seems it isn't love that makes the world go round today.
Patrick Henry, purposed a tax on the citizens that was to be collected and received of the church. This was called, the Bill Establishing a Provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion. This bill was being circulated through the House and it seemed likely to obtain a majority vote. James Madison was asked to write a remonstrance against the bill.
The quote, you pulled from "Madison, Memorial & Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, 1785", was not written about "Religious Freedoms" at all, but about money, a tax.
Thomas Jefferson too, he was all about the money. No one organization should hold so much of it, that they are able to control the people with it. What is it they say, those who hold all the wealth, hold all the power and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
James Madison wrote a letter to, George Mason, roughly 41 years after the publication of the remonstrance and explained in his own words the significance of the document. You can read the letter and the full remonstrance publication here: Religious Liberty Archive : Rothgerber Johnson & Lyons LLP, Colorado Springs, CO
"The Memorial and Remonstrance voices fifteen objections to the bill, proposed by Mr. Patrick Henry, "Establishing a Provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion." The document closes in sincere prayer that the Almighty God of the Universe will enlighten the understanding of those in the legislature who would advance the bill thereby frustrating the blessings of liberty and prosperity."
Now, Christian persecution, sometimes it is reflected because of the person's faith, sometimes it is reflected, because they fear they may obtain wealth. It just depends on the nature of the beast.
Christ over turned the money tables in the church as He was angry with them for collecting the taxes in the church. Christ is never about the money, only people are.
Now, EG, what is it about my posts, and be specific here, that would say, that common sense from me is, lacking in the slightest?
Who said anything about defending the nation? Iraq had nothing to do with defending the nation. None of the stuff I mentioned has anything to do with defending the nation or honor. What do I propose we do? Stay the hell out of everyone else's business and worry about fixing our broken economy.
You did.
"So god really did tell Bush to invade Iraq."
Why is it that people have not a clue as to what 9/11 was really about? People act as if the U.S. has never been attacked and that day never happened. They are seemingly unaware of the oppression and the great vigor the Middle East uses and will use, to obtain that oppression for all countries, that are not, of them.
Question, Madalyn Murray O'Hare, would you say she encompasses all atheist and we should utilize the example she set, as a moral compass in which to gauge, the atheist understanding of right and wrong?
I ask because Westboro Church is used to ascertain the Christian religion, by all atheist. Which is wrong, but never-the-less, it is done anyway.
So, does Madalyn Murray O'Hare, sit at the head of the atheist table?
PS: I guess the atheist wish to ignore the 'need' to defend this nation, as my question, was not answered, but ignored.
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 03-12-2011 at 12:54 AM..
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What the HELL does that have to do with what I posted?
Religion should stay out of government, and vice versa.
You said Christians.
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