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Old 09-01-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Here is exactly what you quoted above (post 12):

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July/August 2008 was around 28%
And that is what you originally wrote as per the email notification....

The email notification oftentimes arrives before a poster has time to go back and edit their reply.

But that is neither here nor there,how do this years July/August sales stack up historically with past years percentage wise?
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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And that is what you originally wrote as per the email notification....

The email notification oftentimes arrives before a poster has time to go back and edit their reply.

But that is neither here nor there,how do this years July/August sales stack up historically with past years percentage wise?

During good sales years it is a 8% drop. A couple of years (in the last decade) it was near 30% - 2005, for one, I think. (in that year there was a massive gain in May, followed by a equally massive drop in following months.)

All that is important is:

Will auto sales be higher this year then last. By all indications they will.

Will they equal 2005 numbers. Nope.. But after falling for 4 years - stabilization is a good thing for the country, don't you think.


[please note: i am recalling from memory, as I am on the road - hopefully someone else can look up the data]
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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So this drop is bad,as bad as in other bad times...

I imagine if sales do not pick up in the Sept/Oct we might be seeing a trend.
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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So this drop is bad,as bad as in other bad times...

I imagine if sales do not pick up in the Sept/Oct we might be seeing a trend.
Alot depends on what they have to offer in the 2011 models.

Ford may have a (overall sales) advantage with Fiesta & Mustang - the new Explorer might steal former Saturn drivers from GM, a (those who havent gone to Suburu or Scion) and those who don't want to drive a school bus.

GM has done well with the blandest of vehicles. But the Cruze should do well. And their truck/SUV sales are still good. The Volt (no matter if you like it or not) will sell - but not to Joe average. While I find Caddys ugly, they are selling.

Fiats (the new Neon?) won't do Chrysler much good, but a Alfa Romeo might look good next to Ram 3500.
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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Alot depends on what they have to offer in the 2011 models.
I don't see anyone running out to spend $41K on the Goverment Motors Chevy Volt unless they like overpaying and are making a status/political statement.
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I don't see anyone running out to spend $41K on the Goverment Motors Chevy Volt unless they like overpaying and are making a status/political statement.
With only 10000 planed on being built in the first production year (and only possibly 100,000 over 10 years), most should be sold. [please note - i doubt the 10 year sales, as lessons learned, should make for great improvements in the technology, so the 'first' version should only be in production a couple of years, which of course, will incease the vault of those original vehicles.)

Somebody has to be a pioneer, and forge forward. France & Israel will have more electric vehicles on the road then the U.S. by the end of 2011.
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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With only 10000 planed on being built in the first production year (and only possibly 100,000 over 10 years), most should be sold. [please note - i doubt the 10 year sales, as lessons learned, should make for great improvements in the technology, so the 'first' version should only be in production a couple of years, which of course, will incease the vault of those original vehicles.)

Somebody has to be a pioneer, and forge forward. France & Israel will have more electric vehicles on the road then the U.S. by the end of 2011.
Then why did Obama kill the hydrogen car (fuel cell) when he took over GM?
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Then why did Obama kill the hydrogen car (fuel cell) when he took over GM?
He didn't.

(From what I've heard), The vehicle is still in the development stages and still 5 years away from any sort of production (other then retro fitting existing vehicles one by one). I'd check your sources.

The estimated cost for a vehicle is still close to that of a Volt. (Toyoda was targeting $50,000+ for their production model - down from a estimated half a million a couple years ago)

Ford has delayed their development, as they too feel electric vehicles are now, hydrogen someday. Electric vehicles can still meet 50 to 80% of the vehicle needs of the nation.

One of the Hydogen Equinox's crashed earlier this year, and didn't blow up, as some (oil company fans) had said.

If you've been keeping up, GM announced a couple of months back, a hydrogen fuel program for Hawaii, as the island plans a major reduction in petro use over the next decade. (Hawaii has a abundance of Hydrogen and has always had the highest gas prices - and you wont be able to drive out of range)

While hydrogen has a advance in range over electric - electric has the infrastructure already in place, which would take decades to put in place for hydrogen.

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Old 09-01-2010, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Southwest Michigan/Miami Beach Miami
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Gooo Chrysler! I know GM, Ford, Honda, Nissan and the rest will rebound next month!
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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GM was giving so many rebates and incentives earlier this summer that anyone thinking of buying a vehicle did so then before they were all due to dry up. I know we did. We were going to trade ours in at 75,000 miles but ended up doing it at 65,000 because the rebates were just too good to ignore.
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