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Old 08-05-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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Some people cannot read between the lines and look beyond the article to see where this is going.
They won't believe this until HuffPost reports on this and says the exact words they can't form in their heads.
Oh, come off it Happy Texan. You know the means by which USAID furthers the US foreign relations agenda. What is different about this program from any other they've ever done? Besides having a misleading, rabblerousing article attached to it.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:06 AM
 
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USAID is not going to export American IT workers to Sri Lanka to work for the outsourcers
That clinches it - you don't understand what's going on.

The U.S. is spending 22 million taxpayer dollars to train foreign workers to compete with and undercut American workers on cost. Instead of American companies hiring American workers, they will hire the offshore U.S. trained foreign workers at much less cost. That is USAID's plan.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:08 AM
 
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They had to outsource the jobs created/saved/funded because they were costing well over $100K each here in the US,
They didnt outsource jobs. This is a training program that couldnt have been done in the US.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:15 AM
 
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That clinches it - you don't understand what's going on.

The U.S. is spending 22 million taxpayer dollars to train foreign workers to compete with and undercut American workers on cost. Instead of American companies hiring American workers, they will hire the offshore U.S. trained foreign workers at much less cost. That is USAID's plan.
That's what USAID has always done! It's only been in the last 30+ years that outsourcing/offshore US companies have become an issue. Since Reagan. these students wont be indentured servants to the US companies in any case. There'll be placement opportunities but I would expect those hired will be free to go if they want to, and those who arent hired are still trained and will go work for some other non US company.

The American companies are located in Sri Lanka. These will be on the job training entry level jobs for the students that pass the training. They cant be run remotely.

And the underlying purpose is to give these Sri Lankan students an opportunity to, I suppose, be grateful to the US for giving them a helping hand, and ideally they'll stay loyal to us should the need arise. That's what USAID is about.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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They didnt outsource jobs.
They are adding 3,000 outsourced (actually, the correct term is offshored) jobs, thereby reducing the jobs available to American workers.

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This is a training program that couldnt have been done in the US.
Why can't we spend that $22 million to train American workers? With unemployment hovering right around 10% (U6 at 16.5%), you'd think Obama would make that a priority. Guess not.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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see above, I added a bunch more.

Are you suggesting Obama shut down the USAID agency because we need the money here?

Do you think USAID and other govt entitites dont spend taxpayer money training and employing furriners, all over the world?

Do you think this only began at Obama's urging? More of his irresponsible spending?
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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They are adding 3,000 outsourced (actually, the correct term is offshored) jobs, thereby reducing the jobs available to American workers.
No, they are training 3000 Sri Lankans, and some of those will get hired by US companies located in Sri Lanka.

If you want to be mad about those companies locating there and hiring local people, why not be mad at them, instead of Obama?

"USAID is also partnering with Sri Lankan companies in other industries, including construction and garment manufacturing, to help create 10,000 new jobs in the country, which is still recovering from a 30-year civil war that ended in 2009." How come you're not upset about that? 10000 jobs in Sri Lanka and none here.

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Why can't we spend that $22 million to train American workers? With unemployment hovering right around 10% (U6 at 16.5%), you'd think Obama would make that a priority. Guess not.
Do you think American workers arent being trained?! U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Training (http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/training/ - broken link)
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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That's what USAID has always done! It's only been in the last 30+ years that outsourcing/offshore US companies have become an issue.
Yes, it's an issue. Even moreso now... which is why it shouldn't be done.

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The American companies are located in Sri Lanka. These will be on the job training entry level jobs for the students that pass the training. They cant be run remotely.
No. The outsourcing vendors are located in Sri Lanka. The workers American taxpayers are spending $22 million to train will work for the outsourcing vendors. The offshore outsourcing vendors contract with the American companies to provide workers that undercut the American companies' cost of hiring American workers.

You really don't understand what's going on.

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And the underlying purpose is to give these Sri Lankan students an opportunity to, I suppose, be grateful to the US for giving them a helping hand, and ideally they'll stay loyal to us should the need arise. That's what USAID is about.
You can suppose all you want. It's economic global social justice. We're the haves; they're the have nots. We lose American company IT jobs; foreign citizens gain them. And Obama's admin is forcing U.S. taxpayers to foot the bill to expedite the loss of jobs.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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No, they are training 3000 Sri Lankans, and some of those will get hired by US companies located in Sri Lanka.
It's the outsourcing vendors that are located in Sri Lanka. Why do you not understand that?

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If you want to be mad about those companies locating there and hiring local people, why not be mad at them, instead of Obama?
Again... you're showing a complete lack of understanding of what's going on.

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"USAID is also partnering with Sri Lankan companies in other industries, including construction and garment manufacturing, to help create 10,000 new jobs in the country, which is still recovering from a 30-year civil war that ended in 2009." How come you're not upset about that? 10000 jobs in Sri Lanka and none here.
Those are Sri Lankan companies, not American companies. Though, I don't believe American taxpayer money should go to building up other countries' economies, especially when our economy is stumbling and we have so many unemployed here.

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Do you think American workers arent being trained?! U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Training (http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/training/ - broken link)
Good. Put that $22 million in taxpayer money to use here instead of offshoring more jobs to Sri Lanka.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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Yes, it's an issue. Even moreso now... which is why it shouldn't be done.


No. The outsourcing vendors are located in Sri Lanka. The workers American taxpayers are spending $22 million to train will work for the outsourcing vendors. The offshore outsourcing vendors contract with the American companies to provide workers that undercut the American companies' cost of hiring American workers.

You really don't understand what's going on.


You can suppose all you want. It's economic global social justice. We're the haves; they're the have nots. We lose American company IT jobs; foreign citizens gain them. And Obama's admin is forcing U.S. taxpayers to foot the bill to expedite the loss of jobs.
This is the Embassy's press release on it:

August 2, 2010: US Government Support Creates 10,000 jobs in Northern Sri Lanka

The paragraph the article drew from is,
"To help fill workforce gaps in BPO and IT, USAID is teaming with leading BPO and IT/English language training companies to establish professional IT and English skills development training centers in each of the five districts in the Northern Province.. Courses in Business Process Outsourcing, Enterprise Java, and English Language Skills will be offered at no charge to over 3,000 under- and unemployed students who will then participate in on-the-job training schemes with private firms."
The last para in the press release is,
"These four alliances are all with Sri Lankan private companies. USAID's investment of about Rs.1.1 billion is generating an additional Rs.2.9 billion investment from the private sector for a total investment of approximately Rs.4 billion in the construction, business process outsourcing, and apparel manufacturing sectors."
I believe that article drew its information from this press release. But there's nothing in the PR that says anything about American companies or outsourcing vendors.

The article says, "Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent's low labor costs." But nothing remotely like that is in the Embassy's press release. The closest it comes is "private firms."

Was the article's author just jumping to conclusions? Or what?
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