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Old 06-29-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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A semi automatic is a semi automatic, yet liberals love to ban "assault weapons" because of how they look. They look like the military versions. so ban them according to libs, despite funtionally, they are semi autos just like any semi auto hunting style rifle. banning something merely because of how it looks?
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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In Conn., you cannot own an AK-47 by name. Yet, you can own an AK-74 in 5.45, or a Saiga 308, which is basically an AK in .308. You can also own an SKS in 7.62x39. You can even own a VZ-58, basically is essentially an AK from soup to nuts except for the different shaped mags as well as the separated bolt gas piston system.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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In Conn., you cannot own an AK-47 by name. Yet, you can own an AK-74 in 5.45, or a Saiga 308, which is basically an AK in .308. You can also own an SKS in 7.62x39. You can even own a VZ-58, basically is essentially an AK from soup to nuts except for the different shaped mags as well as the separated bolt gas piston system.
gift to the us bullet manufacturers?
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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gift to the us bullet manufacturers?
Winchester, American Eagle + others make 7.62x39. Plus, other rifles in that caliber are legal to own. IMO, it was successful lobbying by a bunch of soccer moms that cringe at the sound of the letters "AK".
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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In Conn., you cannot own an AK-47 by name. Yet, you can own an AK-74 in 5.45, or a Saiga 308, which is basically an AK in .308. You can also own an SKS in 7.62x39. You can even own a VZ-58, basically is essentially an AK from soup to nuts except for the different shaped mags as well as the separated bolt gas piston system.
That just shows that the people making the laws really have zero understanding about the things they are trying to ban or have banned. Can you own AR's there ?
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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That just shows that the people making the laws really have zero understanding about the things they are trying to ban or have banned. Can you own AR's there ?
Yup. Everything but an AK in 7.62x39, all other variants of AK are fine as long as they don't have a folding or retractable stock, bayonet lug and some other goodies. That is my understanding.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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"Well, they function just like the other weapons that are out"

This works to both sides argument.

"Well, if they function just like other rifles, why not let me buy them?"

"Well, if they function like other rifles, why not just buy the alternative?"

What is the purpose of an assault rifle? Is it to hunt, well there are far better hunting rifles. Is it for home defense, well shot guns are far better at home defense with the spread pattern. Is it for sniper activity and high accuracy shooting, well there are far better guns for that activity as well.

The only purpose for assault weapons, is so someone can play soldier on the weekends, thats it.

However, I don't want to tell law abiding citizens what they can and can't do either. I want to smoke Marijuana without being prosecuted for my choices, I understand if they want to buy assault weapons without fear of prosecution.

What we need is a better way of preventing the activities done with assault weapons that are illegal, and a better tracking system in place to prevent sales to people who can't/shouldn't have them in the first place.

I see it as two choices. Either limit the guns that everyone can own, or limit the sales. How do you limit the sales, by preventing private sales of firearms, period. No exceptions. This would put a lot of private gun salesmen out of business, and only licensed firearms dealers could be "middle men" to sale your gun to your buddy. But then you'd have to register all firearms, and people would claim thats an invasion of privacy.

So I'm not sure where the answer is. We can't just let everyone have whatever gun they want, and we can't continue to allow legitimate people to buy weapons, and sell them to people who aren't supposed to have them, or want them with no tracking whatsoever.

There are no good answers here, someones not going to like the answer. I see no reason why we can't track firearms though. As I've been told numerous times, on other issues (latest one, the Arizona immigration fight "Well if they aren't illegal, they have nothing to worry about"), then I see nothing wrong with tracking the sale and ownership of all firearms. After all, if you're not doing anything illegal, you've got nothing to worry about, right?
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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After all, if you're not doing anything illegal, you've got nothing to worry about, right?
Graduate of the George W Bush school of civil rights?
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Graduate of the George W Bush school of civil rights?
Did you notice the wink behind there? Kind of like telling someone to drive a car off a bridge, wink wink.

Just remember your position when you support the checking of ID's for everything out there, or any other search and seizure without good cause.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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The AWB had nothing to do with emotions or reason and everything to do with controlling the masses by disarming the law abiding of the most effective urban weapon available to citizens.
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