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Old 06-21-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Business management.

However, you brought up "average", didn't you? And you should know the difference.

You've heard Twain's take on statistics, right?
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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I understand the difference, just discount the relevance.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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So, the fact that some males die under the age of 18 isn't relevant? It is, because it brings down the "average age" you were talking about.
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Old 06-21-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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Interesting breakdown of political party identification by education and income levels in the chart at the bottom of this page:
Democrats Gain Edge in Party Identification - Pew Research
Why do you assume that my comment about education and income was a barb at republicans? Or that it had anything to do with Democrats or Republicans?

People who vote for either parties, which are pretty much the same, have different stance on different issues, including social programs.

Some Republicans have empathy for the poor, some don't. Same things for Democrats. There is such a thing as "gauche caviar".

It's kind of tiring nowadays how you can't even make a comment without someone interpreting it through partisan politics.
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Old 06-21-2010, 03:19 PM
 
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I can't say I enjoyed your post but I can't say it offended me either.
I do have a question, who is judging this society? Also, why don't we ever question the weakest members?

It's quite obvious that this society, that is being judged, is breeding weak members. That makes a weak society.
No one is here to entertain you or making sure you aren't offended. I'm not sure what you meant by your first sentence.

As for your question for who is judging this society, wouldn't you agree that most people know good from bad? That helping those in need is the right thing to do? By your logic, we should never judge genocidal countries because after all...it's their POV.

Weak people are being questioned all right. Especially since they are increasingly being treated like a class of subhumans. Calling your fellow citizens "parasites" should be an indication of that.

I don't know in what type of household you come from, but statisically, it's difficult to climb into an upper class. Some manage to do it, but most lack the opportunities and the support most of those with success had. I was raised not to judge unless I walked in another person's shoe. And since I was lucky in life, I don't judge these people, much less call them parasites.
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:15 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm honestly not sure if you are purposely playing dumb to obfuscate a weak position in this discussion or not. I might as well debate this with my cat.
My guess is that poster doesn't understand the math and data used to construct the actuarial tables.
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:22 PM
 
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Why do you assume that my comment about education and income was a barb at republicans? Or that it had anything to do with Democrats or Republicans?

People who vote for either parties, which are pretty much the same, have different stance on different issues, including social programs.
There are some pretty compelling generalities in each party's platform, no? It would be foolish to pretend otherwise.
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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My guess is that poster doesn't understand the math and data used to construct the actuarial tables.
I understand that the data is faulty.

Perhaps you've heard the Twain quote about lies, d@mn lies, and statistics?
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:38 PM
 
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"A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members"

You can act tough and big and say "pull yourself by your own bootstraps blah blah blah" but fact is, life is not so simple.

And before you say I'm a parasite, my wife and I both have our own businesses and we make pretty decent money. We also employ more than a dozen people. I could live pretty well working just 6 months a year and my wife would not have to work if she wanted to.

Ironic how labels like "parasites" often (not always) come from blue collar people with little education and crappy salaries. "I make 30k a year, I work hard! I pay taxes! Bow to me, mr. government!"

We're always someone's parasite.
And I didn't call you a parasite, now did I. But you help, by voting people like Obama in that allows people to be parasites. Yes, some people do need help, but most of those who mooch off of society, have no reason why they can't work, or contribute. If you are contributing, even in a small way, you are not a parasite.
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:42 PM
 
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I understand that the data is faulty.
How so? Other than your extremely limited anecdotal observation.

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Perhaps you've heard the Twain quote about lies, d@mn lies, and statistics?
Yes. That applies when data is manipulated to elicit a certain otherwise unfounded conclusion. The actuaries that construct the SS life expectancy tables have no reason to manipulate the data.
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