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Old 12-22-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Inside the 101
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The area has been cleaned up a lot over the last ten years. It's still gritty and poor, but not as seedy and dangerous as it once was. From what I've heard, it's where a lot of the rank-and-file workers at north Scottsdale / northeast Phoenix resorts live. The low-wage workers who tend the grounds, clean the guest rooms, and wash the dishes at places like the Four Seasons, the Fairmont, the J.W. Marriott Desert Ridge, the Westin Kierland, etc. need a place to live within a reasonable commuting distance of those resorts. The Square is a relatively short drive to those destinations and is also connected to some of them via bus routes.
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Old 12-24-2008, 06:42 PM
 
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Default I heard that with the SR51 expansion...

... the City mandated that the same amount of units stay in the area after some properties were demolished due to the SR51 expansion. So "the square" was selected to become the area that would have a lot higher density to make up for it. Thereby unwilingly a kind of ghetto was created. That's what I heard from people living there.
P.L.
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Old 12-24-2008, 07:43 PM
 
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... the City mandated that the same amount of units stay in the area after some properties were demolished due to the SR51 expansion. So "the square" was selected to become the area that would have a lot higher density to make up for it. Thereby unwilingly a kind of ghetto was created. That's what I heard from people living there.
P.L.
Not sure if I'm following, but the square was bad way before the expansion happened.
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:13 PM
 
Location: NE Phoenix!
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... the City mandated that the same amount of units stay in the area after some properties were demolished due to the SR51 expansion. So "the square" was selected to become the area that would have a lot higher density to make up for it. Thereby unwilingly a kind of ghetto was created. That's what I heard from people living there.
P.L.
Sounds like you're establishing a cause and effect between higher-density development and poverty/crime. None exists - at least not at the level seen in the Square.
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:03 PM
 
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this area is very bad. alot of gangs. it was once a nice area. now alot of scum and many illegals. my 16 nephew cut through their on saturday apreil 3 and was robbed at knife point. lets keep the good kids out of this area.
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Old 04-04-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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this area is very bad. alot of gangs. it was once a nice area. now alot of scum and many illegals. my 16 nephew cut through their on saturday apreil 3 and was robbed at knife point. lets keep the good kids out of this area.
hey apache: just wondering how you came to join c-d just today and dredge up this old thread to announce this news about your nephew....sorry to hear about the robbery...I hope all is well now....
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Old 03-16-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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I live in the square now on Bell and 20th. Been here 8 months, hate it. Car was stolen out of gated apartment complex (La Serana @ Toscana). Dead girl found in suitcase about a month ago behind Cowboy lookout grill. Cops are always in our complex, helicopter spotlights are a part of the night sky. Stay away, trust me.
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Old 03-16-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Coolidge, AZ
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I live in the square now on Bell and 20th. Been here 8 months, hate it. Car was stolen out of gated apartment complex (La Serana @ Toscana). Dead girl found in suitcase about a month ago behind Cowboy lookout grill. Cops are always in our complex, helicopter spotlights are a part of the night sky. Stay away, trust me.
You live outside of the square in nice middle class area.......
I'm not calling you a liar but just saying.
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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this area is very bad. alot of gangs. it was once a nice area. now alot of scum and many illegals. my 16 nephew cut through their on saturday apreil 3 and was robbed at knife point. lets keep the good kids out of this area.
How do you know they are illegals? Did you detain each of them individually and run them through ICE databases to verify that? Or should we just assume that all brown people speaking Spanish just swam across the Rio Grande yesterday? Damn racists...
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Willo Historic District, Phoenix, AZ
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How do you know they are illegals? Did you detain each of them individually and run them through ICE databases to verify that? Or should we just assume that all brown people speaking Spanish just swam across the Rio Grande yesterday? Damn racists...
Be careful. I made a similar point here a couple of years ago when it was alleged that "illegals" had caused Metrocenter's demise and I got shouted down.
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