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I've avoided this thread, because so many of you are out of your minds obsessed with this..
and I am NOT minimizing the severity of what is going on, its just this paranoia/obsession is so unhealthy..
Anyways, my wife took a bad fall in our house Friday night, and the paramedics said we should avoid the hospital ER if we could so we went to a new emergency facility in Peoria; was totally empty, and they said few if any patients had been there in the last 24 hours with any sort of flu like symptoms..
It turned out she needed surgery on her hip; within 1 hour, they had a private room at Abrazzo Glendale ready, the head Orthopedic guy came right by, and did his thing, this morning; they had her in surgery, no waiting no nothing...
Their updated protocol as of Friday was NO VISITORS/FAMILY/NOBODY comes in unless they are a patient, but, they too were relatively empty..
My only point is that you gloom and doom/end of the world purveyors need to get away from your tv screens/computers screens and give your minds a break from this obsession; its not ALL the Apocalypse, and the more you obsess about this, the more depressed you will be..Stay home if you can, protect yourselves and those who are in high risk, but stop acting and obsessing like life is over, because ITS NOT..
Thanks Bro; a few hours after the procedure and she is calling/texting/telling jokes; neither of us have been to a hospital in decades, fortunately, and its amazing how far they have come with surgical procedures, especially repairing/replacing knees/hips etc..
I don't think you can necessarily trust the numbers coming out of an undeveloped country like India and the population density in Dubai is FAR less than NY, it's not a good comparison at all.
On that same note, how can we fully trust the numbers coming out of Arizona? How do we know there aren't more cases than what are being reported? Keep this in mind, especially when Arizona's top health official told doctors to stop testing. There's also a report that Arizona ranks last in the nation when it comes to testing.
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Nevertheless you keep saying that being suburban in nature has zero benefit but you're crazy if you think it's 0.0% risk to walk in common residential hallways, use elevators, etc. Of course you can reduce the risk but there are definitely more risks every time you leave a densely populated apartment. Much moreso than stepping outside of a suburban home (anywhere).
So then, why are certain other large metro areas reporting lower numbers than Maricopa County? Harris County, TX (where Houston is) is slightly larger in population than Maricopa County. It's not exactly a densely populated area, but it's more so than Maricopa County, and they have fewer cases reported. Regarding other international cities, look at Cairo. It's even more densely populated than NYC, but only 710 cases have been reported in the entire country of Egypt! You can't seriously say that lower density is a deterrent, especially when people from all areas (urban, suburban, rural) have tested positive.
I'm the first one to say that we don't need to panic and get overly paranoid about this ... and in fact, I'm also the first one to say that shutting down everything and being afraid of the world isn't a solution. At the same time, we can't ASSume things like our weather and suburban lifestyle will prevent the spread. Obviously it isn't. There's a lot that we don't fully know about COVID 19.
On that same note, how can we fully trust the numbers coming out of Arizona? How do we know there aren't more cases than what are being reported? Keep this in mind, especially when Arizona's top health official told doctors to stop testing. There's also a report that Arizona ranks last in the nation when it comes to testing.
So then, why are certain other large metro areas reporting lower numbers than Maricopa County? Harris County, TX (where Houston is) is slightly larger in population than Maricopa County. It's not exactly a densely populated area, but it's more so than Maricopa County, and they have fewer cases reported. Regarding other international cities, look at Cairo. It's even more densely populated than NYC, but only 710 cases have been reported in the entire country of Egypt! You can't seriously say that lower density is a deterrent, especially when people from all areas (urban, suburban, rural) have tested positive.
I'm the first one to say that we don't need to panic and get overly paranoid about this ... and in fact, I'm also the first one to say that shutting down everything and being afraid of the world isn't a solution. At the same time, we can't ASSume things like our weather and suburban lifestyle will prevent the spread. Obviously it isn't. There's a lot that we don't fully know about COVID 19.
I'm not going to go city by city and tell you why the Phoenix metro has more or less than such and such city (Houston is very suburban like Phoenix, I have lots of family there and have been all over it). The statement you made was that there's no benefit in living in a suburban area vs densely populated areas as far as contracting a virus. OF COURSE there is a benefit to not having to breathe recirculated air and touch things other people touched EVERY TIME you leave your house. You would have to be ignorant to think otherwise.
On that same note, how can we fully trust the numbers coming out of Arizona? How do we know there aren't more cases than what are being reported? Keep this in mind, especially when Arizona's top health official told doctors to stop testing. There's also a report that Arizona ranks last in the nation when it comes to testing.
You're really going to compare AZ to a third world country where most residents drink poop water and don't have access to phones and probably have no idea how to see a doctor?
I answered the other guy about the testing, it only matters is there's a LOT of people that want to get tested but can't. I don't see thousands of people on the news complaining that they can't get tested, but I know that there are some. The thing is, if the actual number of infected is larger than the reported number in AZ by a factor of 10-20, the factor in a place like India is likely X200+ for the reasons stated above
My only point is that you gloom and doom/end of the world purveyors need to get away from your tv screens/computers screens and give your minds a break from this obsession; its not ALL the Apocalypse, and the more you obsess about this, the more depressed you will be..Stay home if you can, protect yourselves and those who are in high risk, but stop acting and obsessing like life is over, because ITS NOT..
Couldn't agree more. We have family and friends in the healthcare industry locally and things are actually pretty quiet.
I still think the mental health fallout from the economic devastation will far outweigh this Chinese bat virus.
Hope your wife heals quickly. It's a very bad time to fall!
I'm not going to go city by city and tell you why the Phoenix metro has more or less than such and such city (Houston is very suburban like Phoenix, I have lots of family there and have been all over it). The statement you made was that there's no benefit in living in a suburban area vs densely populated areas as far as contracting a virus. OF COURSE there is a benefit to not having to breathe recirculated air and touch things other people touched EVERY TIME you leave your house. You would have to be ignorant to think otherwise.
You're speaking in general terms. This virus is different, and even the so called experts have various speculations that differ from each other. We can't say for certain that being suburban & detached helps to prevent COVID 19. If any of that was true, then only urban dwellers would be infected ... and we've heard about positive cases from all over Maricopa County (including the far flung San Tan Valley) & all over AZ for that matter.
Nobody has all the facts about this outbreak. With that said, none of the medical experts, nor anybody in the media can provide any straight answers. What we've heard so far is: it's not airborne, then later we hear that it can be spread as an airborne aerosol. We've been told to stay home, then they say it's fine to go outside but keep your distance, and now we're told to mask up with face condoms if we dare to step outside. Too much misinformation and too many conflicting reports.
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I've avoided this thread, because so many of you are out of your minds obsessed with this..
and I am NOT minimizing the severity of what is going on, its just this paranoia/obsession is so unhealthy..
Anyways, my wife took a bad fall in our house Friday night, and the paramedics said we should avoid the hospital ER if we could so we went to a new emergency facility in Peoria; was totally empty, and they said few if any patients had been there in the last 24 hours with any sort of flu like symptoms..
It turned out she needed surgery on her hip; within 1 hour, they had a private room at Abrazzo Glendale ready, the head Orthopedic guy came right by, and did his thing, this morning; they had her in surgery, no waiting no nothing...
Their updated protocol as of Friday was NO VISITORS/FAMILY/NOBODY comes in unless they are a patient, but, they too were relatively empty..
My only point is that you gloom and doom/end of the world purveyors need to get away from your tv screens/computers screens and give your minds a break from this obsession; its not ALL the Apocalypse, and the more you obsess about this, the more depressed you will be..Stay home if you can, protect yourselves and those who are in high risk, but stop acting and obsessing like life is over, because ITS NOT..
I couldn't agree more. In the end, all the paranoia, hysteria, and hype over this virus are causing more harm to the economy and our lives in general than the virus itself. The loss of many jobs, the loss of our freedoms, and the socialist type dictatorship we've allowed to become as a result is more of a threat to us as Americans than any so called pandemic.
Couldn't agree more. We have family and friends in the healthcare industry locally and things are actually pretty quiet.
I still think the mental health fallout from the economic devastation will far outweigh this Chinese bat virus.
Hope your wife heals quickly. It's a very bad time to fall!
thanks, its NEVER a good time for us older folks!
One more thing on the health care situation; I know it doesn't mean much, but my best friends wife talked to me earlier; her daughter had an emergency appendix procedure today in central phoenix; this lady is an emergency room nurse, and she was shocked by how empty the hospital ER was; she saids its been that way the whole time at her hospital, and she is pretty surprised by that..
I know its not concrete evidence, and, its sad that so many people here still think its ok to go hiking and hang out in large groups, but for some reason, there is a much lighter incidence of it here so far, and the lack of traffic and ease of getting right into a hospital if needed is a very good sign here right now..
I couldn't agree more. In the end, all the paranoia, hysteria, and hype over this virus are causing more harm to the economy and our lives in general than the virus itself. The loss of many jobs, the loss of our freedoms, and the socialist type dictatorship we've allowed to become as a result is more of a threat to us as Americans than any so called pandemic.
I guess time will tell how this all plays out, but, if we learn anything from this event, hopefully, the good things like WASHING YOUR DAMN HANDS frequently, avoiding anyone sneezing coughing and acting ill, going out of your way to help/look out for others, and rediscovering how nice it is to spend more time with family, this will be a good lesson to impart to our kids.
All I know is, I dont spend more than 5 minutes or less PER DAY watching/reading the news/social media sites since this happened and I feel alot better for it..Try it, you might find you feel a MILLION TIMES BETTER not seeing this 24/7
You're speaking in general terms. This virus is different, and even the so called experts have various speculations that differ from each other. We can't say for certain that being suburban & detached helps to prevent COVID 19. If any of that was true, then only urban dwellers would be infected ... and we've heard about positive cases from all over Maricopa County (including the far flung San Tan Valley) & all over AZ for that matter.
Nobody has all the facts about this outbreak. With that said, none of the medical experts, nor anybody in the media can provide any straight answers. What we've heard so far is: it's not airborne, then later we hear that it can be spread as an airborne aerosol. We've been told to stay home, then they say it's fine to go outside but keep your distance, and now we're told to mask up with face condoms if we dare to step outside. Too much misinformation and too many conflicting reports.
I couldn't agree more. In the end, all the paranoia, hysteria, and hype over this virus are causing more harm to the economy and our lives in general than the virus itself. The loss of many jobs, the loss of our freedoms, and the socialist type dictatorship we've allowed to become as a result is more of a threat to us as Americans than any so called pandemic.
No one has to be an expert. Remember, we're talking density with shared hallways, shared elevators, elevator buttons, lobbies, door handles, crowded sidewalks, subways etc. Answer these questions for me and see if you understand where this is going:
1. Is this virus airborne?
2. Does this virus remain on surfaces for a period of time?
If you can answer those questions, you should easily be able to deduce whether having to go through common areas whenever you leave your residence poses an increased risk or not. My 8 year old can figure this out.
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