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Old 12-18-2020, 06:43 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Once again, we have a high percentage of positive COVID cases ... enough to rank as one of the hot spots in the nation. So much for our warm, sunny weather being a hindrance for spreading the virus. If anything, dryness in the air acts as an enhancer because low humidity shrinks the virus aerosol particles, allowing them to remain airborne longer. This hopefully should put to rest the idea that dry air is healthier. It really isn't in the big picture.
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Old 12-19-2020, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Once again, we have a high percentage of positive COVID cases ... enough to rank as one of the hot spots in the nation. So much for our warm, sunny weather being a hindrance for spreading the virus. If anything, dryness in the air acts as an enhancer because low humidity shrinks the virus aerosol particles, allowing them to remain airborne longer. This hopefully should put to rest the idea that dry air is healthier. It really isn't in the big picture.
Warm sunny weather this time of year is noon to 3. It is in the 30s in the morning and people here, like most place in the Northern Hemisphere are indoors gathered around TVs and dining tables. We have Thanksgiving here too where I think a larger fraction of our people travel to be with relatives than much of the country because we are mostly immigrants from the states or across the border. And of course, we have that independent streak that has translated in a bizarre, irrational way to mask and social distancing refusal.

Whatever the cause, we have a real problem. We are down to 100 regular ICU beds and our docs and nurses are getting briefed on how things are going to be in the disaster phase of this pandemic where they will be choosing whom to treat and whom to turn away.
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Old 12-21-2020, 08:43 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Whatever the cause, we have a real problem. We are down to 100 regular ICU beds and our docs and nurses are getting briefed on how things are going to be in the disaster phase of this pandemic where they will be choosing whom to treat and whom to turn away.
Which is baffling why St. Luke's isn't reopened: a facility that was revamped specifically for situations like this. Last summer, hospitals were so overly burdened with COVID cases that some patients were being sent to out of state facilities. Makes absolutely no sense why millions of dollars were poured into upgrading St. Luke's, and Ducey even stated it would reopen last May, but it remains shuttered & unused while other hospitals in the Phoenix area are nearing capacity.
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Old 12-22-2020, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Which is baffling why St. Luke's isn't reopened: a facility that was revamped specifically for situations like this. Last summer, hospitals were so overly burdened with COVID cases that some patients were being sent to out of state facilities. Makes absolutely no sense why millions of dollars were poured into upgrading St. Luke's, and Ducey even stated it would reopen last May, but it remains shuttered & unused while other hospitals in the Phoenix area are nearing capacity.
Maybe staffing issues. My daughter is working 4-5 shifts per week again. They are bringing in travel nurses after the 1st, but they are very expensive as there is a nationwide demand and limited supply. It takes many people from administrators, doctors, nurses, kitchen, security and on and on to staff a hospital. Even if you can find them, getting them all rowing in the same direction in a short period of time is a monumental task.
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Redwood City, CA
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Once again, we have a high percentage of positive COVID cases ... enough to rank as one of the hot spots in the nation. So much for our warm, sunny weather being a hindrance for spreading the virus. If anything, dryness in the air acts as an enhancer because low humidity shrinks the virus aerosol particles, allowing them to remain airborne longer. This hopefully should put to rest the idea that dry air is healthier. It really isn't in the big picture.
Dryness in the outside air, you mean.

Aerosols aren't very infectious outdoors. They are quickly dispersed by air flow. Warm air rises, as every glider pilot knows.

Indoors is another matter.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:09 PM
 
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:12 PM
 
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Christ got her shot. Nothing to worry about.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:02 PM
 
Location: USA
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This would be fine and dandy if we didn’t have a large population of conspiracy theorists that believe YouTube videos and lunatics like QAnon over scientists. We need mandates because too many people are stupid and/or selfish. Letting people “decide their own comfort level” neglects the fact that one’s choices impact others. Our large population of selfish morons is part of the reason why we’re doing so much worse than other countries. Sorry, but common sense and courtesy can no longer be counted on.
Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy, all currently are worse than the US. European countries that some say we should emulate

If it wasn't for New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Mass. All states with the highest death rates we would be doing much better.

https://www.movehub.com/blog/best-an...vid-responses/
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:23 PM
 
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Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy, all currently are worse than the US. European countries that some say we should emulate

If it wasn't for New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Mass. All states with the highest death rates we would be doing much better.

https://www.movehub.com/blog/best-an...vid-responses/
"New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Mass" have absolutely nothing to do with the strain on our local health system and the dangerous lack of ICU beds that we're facing. This isn't the time for senseless deflection and whataboutism. The problem is in our own backyard.
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