Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Pennsylvania > Philadelphia
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-21-2018, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia Pa
1,213 posts, read 953,967 times
Reputation: 1318

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by AJNEOA View Post
That's part of the industry problem. Minimum wage was never intended to be something that you could support a family on. Raising wages to $15/hour for someone flipping McD's burgers isn't going to go well ultimately. Lower hours, more automation is likely to follow.

I'm with cpomp. Housing is not expensive in Philadelphia, except for a few pockets. We're better off bringing better jobs in to raise those up that live here, rather than trying to "fix" everything with the "housing hammer".
Well yeah, of course you're both exactly correct and this approach would actually be better for the city and region, not to mention the majority of city residents. The problem is, the "officials" in our overtly corrupt local government, as well as the "journalists" of our agenda-driven city paper couldn't care less what makes the most sense for the most people. They are out for self-preservation, so if affordable housing keeps them in power and a job, affordable housing it is. I'm just glad this is all temporary as the wave of profit will wash over this mess like a tsunami in the coming years/decade.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-21-2018, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
14,147 posts, read 9,038,713 times
Reputation: 10491
Quote:
Originally Posted by southbound_295 View Post
The term affordable housing doesn't mean low income housing. There are people who can't afford half a million dollars for housing but who can't qualify for low income housing. They have been ignored by builders for quite a while. It's a problem, nationwide.

I suspect that you haven't been in an Aldi recently. Aldi has unbelievable buying power, on a worldwide basis. The inventory is not aimed at the lowest common denominator.

Having a decent grocery option in Mt Airy will help with gentrification.
Even though its southeast quarter is largely poor, Mt. Airy doesn't really need to be "gentrified" - at least not according to the model followed in the rest of the city.* And in much of it, not at all.

The building in question is also close enough to Germantown that it will attract shoppers from it. (It may be just a bit easier for me to reach this store than it will be the one at Broad and Godfrey, but I'm not certain. It will require a change of buses for me where I can get to the other store just by riding the K and walking a bit. However, the 23 bus will drop me off right at the Mt. Airy store, and I won't have to walk from the store to catch it, and even if I use a granny cart, that makes a difference if you're laden with grocery bags).

Aldi has managed to pull off a rare feat: holding onto its original largely lower-income customer base while attracting a new clientele of price-conscious higher-income shoppers. Mt. Airy would seem to me to be the ideal location for such a store.

*I assume you read my Next City feature on Germantown that ran in July? I'd describe what's happening here as "organic" gentrification. The difference between this version and the standard one is that it's taking place at a slower pace using largely homegrown resources (I count Ken Weinstein's Jumpstart grads as part of that "organic" process).

Quote:
Originally Posted by cpomp View Post
Let me rephrase since I might have been a little confusing. This particular developer in that article is a true affordable housing developer, providing slightly below market rate housing for working professionals (teachers, nurses, social workers, etc.) That is a fantastic use of affordable housing.

But in the eyes of certain city council members, affordable housing has become interchangeable with low income housing, and there has been this push/ obsession with that movement, and it makes no sense to me.

The real fight should be lowering poverty and creating industry, giving away houses does not alleviate or break the cycle, also, the land of $500k+ homes in Philadelphia is very limited to CC and surrounding, so again, I think people tend to inflate the "affordability" crisis in Philadelphia, when in my mind I see a poverty and lack of jobs crisis.

New York, San Fran, and soon DC have an affordability crisis, not Philadelphia.
Agreed. In the meantime, the low-income people we do have have to live somewhere.

I note that the plan Mayor Kenney trotted out pretty much said we would create such places by rehabilitating the homes we already have. Sounds good to me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2018, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
14,147 posts, read 9,038,713 times
Reputation: 10491
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsport View Post
Well yeah, of course you're both exactly correct and this approach would actually be better for the city and region, not to mention the majority of city residents. The problem is, the "officials" in our overtly corrupt local government, as well as the "journalists" of our agenda-driven city paper couldn't care less what makes the most sense for the most people. They are out for self-preservation, so if affordable housing keeps them in power and a job, affordable housing it is. I'm just glad this is all temporary as the wave of profit will wash over this mess like a tsunami in the coming years/decade.
um, why the sneer quotes?

You may not agree with her line of argument, but Inga Saffron is more than competent, and she has the Pulitzer to prove it.

And you appear to be sleeping through the wave of "(social) impact development." That long-abandoned office building at Broad-Erie-Germantown - the one I call "the transit-oriented development we wasted" - will get new life thanks to a social impact developer.

And trust me, these people are out to make a profit too. I participate in a quarterly roundtable that brings most of them together. Here's an exceptional project one of them recently did over in Strawberry Mansion:

Eastern Lofts (Mosaic Development Partners)

This duo, who've been through Jumpstart Germantown, don't attend meetings of that roundtable, but they should. They've already put 10 units towards Mayor Kenney's tally around the corner from me:

Bloyd Street Capital

Here's how they got their name.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-22-2018, 08:40 AM
 
10,787 posts, read 8,749,363 times
Reputation: 3983
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketStEl View Post
um, why the sneer quotes?

You may not agree with her line of argument, but Inga Saffron is more than competent, and she has the Pulitzer to prove it.
Joseph Pulitzer was one of the fathers of " yellow journalism", along with William Randolph Hearst, so it's odd, imo, that those awards have taken on so much meaning.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-22-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
23,813 posts, read 34,657,307 times
Reputation: 10256
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketStEl View Post
Even though its southeast quarter is largely poor, Mt. Airy doesn't really need to be "gentrified" - at least not according to the model followed in the rest of the city.* And in much of it, not at all.

The building in question is also close enough to Germantown that it will attract shoppers from it. (It may be just a bit easier for me to reach this store than it will be the one at Broad and Godfrey, but I'm not certain. It will require a change of buses for me where I can get to the other store just by riding the K and walking a bit. However, the 23 bus will drop me off right at the Mt. Airy store, and I won't have to walk from the store to catch it, and even if I use a granny cart, that makes a difference if you're laden with grocery bags).

Aldi has managed to pull off a rare feat: holding onto its original largely lower-income customer base while attracting a new clientele of price-conscious higher-income shoppers. Mt. Airy would seem to me to be the ideal location for such a store.

*I assume you read my Next City feature on Germantown that ran in July? I'd describe what's happening here as "organic" gentrification. The difference between this version and the standard one is that it's taking place at a slower pace using largely homegrown resources (I count Ken Weinstein's Jumpstart grads as part of that "organic" process).



Agreed. In the meantime, the low-income people we do have have to live somewhere.

I note that the plan Mayor Kenney trotted out pretty much said we would create such places by rehabilitating the homes we already have. Sounds good to me.
I realize that Mt. Airy doesn't need gentrification, for the most part. However, having a good, decent, grocery store in the neighborhood will keep people in place & will be the dealbreaker for some people who have more choices.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I suspect that if Aldi spreads around more stores with their new format it will attract some Lidl stores & the 2 will make a positive difference in Philadelphia.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-22-2018, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
14,147 posts, read 9,038,713 times
Reputation: 10491
Quote:
Originally Posted by kyb01 View Post
Joseph Pulitzer was one of the fathers of " yellow journalism", along with William Randolph Hearst, so it's odd, imo, that those awards have taken on so much meaning.
His first paper, however, was the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, hardly a scandal sheet.

He also endowed the journalism school that hands out the Pulitzers, that of Columbia University. That's the most prestigious journalism school in the country (ahead of the nation's oldest, that of the University of Missouri, which he also pushed to establish but did not endow). That probably explains why these are the most prestigious awards in American journalism and literature and have been just about since they were first awarded in 1917.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-22-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: close to home
6,203 posts, read 3,541,756 times
Reputation: 4761
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketStEl View Post
His first paper, however, was the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, hardly a scandal sheet.

He also endowed the journalism school that hands out the Pulitzers, that of Columbia University. That's the most prestigious journalism school in the country (ahead of the nation's oldest, that of the University of Missouri, which he also pushed to establish but did not endow). That probably explains why these are the most prestigious awards in American journalism and literature and have been just about since they were first awarded in 1917.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Center City
7,528 posts, read 10,250,389 times
Reputation: 11023
Visiting family and found this article on some major investments at PHL over the coming year: https://www.delawareonline.com/story...on/1355587002/.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-23-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Center City
7,528 posts, read 10,250,389 times
Reputation: 11023
Comcast lands Sky: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...-giant-n912216.

Good news for the home team.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-24-2018, 06:21 AM
 
10,787 posts, read 8,749,363 times
Reputation: 3983
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine to Vine View Post
Comcast lands Sky: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...-giant-n912216.

Good news for the home team.
Splendid news.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Pennsylvania > Philadelphia

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top