Philadelphia 2035 (Lancaster, York, Chester: house prices, drinks, secret)

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by timeEd32

I think that new Jeweler's Row option is meh at best. Slightly better than the last one, but I think the first design was better than both.

I think we're the only ones in Philly that feel this way.

Take cover!!

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by cpomp

https://philly.curbed.com/2018/3/22/...r-glass-philly

Dozens More Apartments Coming Soon Near Girard in Northern Liberties - OCF Realty

Toll revises tower (again)

And another big project in NoLibs. Large vacant lots are becoming scarce.

Saw this a week or so ago. This is awesome. That completes the whole stretch all the way to Girard. The huge triangle just north has been sold and is in CDC review as we speak.

Crazy.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by cpomp

I know some numbers are flubbed and inflated, which is why i tend to look at percentages rather than exact numbers.

And yes, It is disappointing about Chicago :/ I wonder what the basis is for the region shedding such large numbers? Cold weather? unfriendly economy?

In any case I read elsewhere that there are several super talls slated for Chicago. And it seems like a smaller Chicago may mean a richer city overall. At least that's what I have read so far.

[Nanis149]

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but if anyone can guess which neigborood of Philly I live in, Ill give ya a chocolate chip muffin.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by cpomp

I know some numbers are flubbed and inflated, which is why i tend to look at percentages rather than exact numbers.

And yes, It is disappointing about Chicago :/ I wonder what the basis is for the region shedding such large numbers? Cold weather? unfriendly economy?

Originally Posted by kyb01

Anecdotally, what I'm reading about Chicago is some of the outmigration is black people leaving.

The chief issue in Chicago is Illinois.

You think Pennsylvania is badly governed? Illinois is downright dysfunctional.

The state has been running deficits for several years now, and there's a continuing stalemate in Springfield over passing budgets that would stanch the red ink. (The governor's a Republican; Democrats control the legislature, the opposite of here.) As a result, the state's bond rating is now the worst in the nation - barely above junk - after suffering eight downgrades in as many years.

This more than anything else is taking both the state's economy and its population downward, and Chicago is not immune to the trend.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Nanis149

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but if anyone can guess which neigborood of Philly I live in, Ill give ya a chocolate chip muffin.

I'm not a muffin person but I'll take a stab at it: Bustleton.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

The chief issue in Chicago is Illinois.

You think Pennsylvania is badly governed? Illinois is downright dysfunctional.

The state has been running deficits for several years now, and there's a continuing stalemate in Springfield over passing budgets that would stanch the red ink. (The governor's a Republican; Democrats control the legislature, the opposite of here.) As a result, the state's bond rating is now the worst in the nation - barely above junk - after suffering eight downgrades in as many years.

This more than anything else is taking both the state's economy and its population downward, and Chicago is not immune to the trend.

All of this is true but some things I hear indicate that people of color, for example, are actively leaving Chicago regardless. But I can't find any stats so far to support that notion.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by kyb01

In any case I read elsewhere that there are several super talls slated for Chicago. And it seems like a smaller Chicago may mean a richer city overall. At least that's what I have read so far.

Chicago has a lot of money and all the intense development we see in Manhattan/ Brooklyn is happening in Chicago (on a lesser scale), and now Philadelphia (on a much lesser scale). I was in Chicago a few months back and I will be going in May, there were dozens of cranes throughout downtown, very impressive development scene.

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

The chief issue in Chicago is Illinois.

You think Pennsylvania is badly governed? Illinois is downright dysfunctional.

The state has been running deficits for several years now, and there's a continuing stalemate in Springfield over passing budgets that would stanch the red ink. (The governor's a Republican; Democrats control the legislature, the opposite of here.) As a result, the state's bond rating is now the worst in the nation - barely above junk - after suffering eight downgrades in as many years.

This more than anything else is taking both the state's economy and its population downward, and Chicago is not immune to the trend.

I also think PA is better off than Illinois: Weather, location (biggest positive), economy, having 2 major cities that are showing good signs of recovery, our political landscape is beginning to see the light at end of the tunnel.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by cpomp

Chicago has a lot of money and all the intense development we see in Manhattan/ Brooklyn is happening in Chicago (on a lesser scale), and now Philadelphia (on a much lesser scale). I was in Chicago a few months back and I will be going in May, there were dozens of cranes throughout downtown, very impressive development scene.



I also think PA is better off than Illinois: Weather, location (biggest positive), economy, having 2 major cities that are showing good signs of recovery, our political landscape is beginning to see the light at end of the tunnel.

Chicago has had the 2nd best skyline in the country, imo, for a very long time. The new development just keeps that going. But the out migration is pretty troubling at least for the short term.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Chicago has had the 2nd best skyline in the country, imo, for a very long time. The new development just keeps that going. But the out migration is pretty troubling at least for the short term.

Who has the best?? Yes, and the development and out migration of Illinois/ Chicago show no signs of letting up either... Whereas PA seems poised to have slow but steady growth. Pa also seems to have more "boom" counties (Chester, Lehigh, Lancaster, Montgomery, etc.)

Philadelphia is certainly improving, but does not quite have the investment of Chicago (even with size in mind), that could change over the next decade though.