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Old 08-27-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Center City
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It's not just, merely, or only a homeless mission.

It's actually a faith community that runs a dining room as part of the "radical hospitality" part of its overall mission.
Good grief! I don't care if you call the Sistine Chapel. Rich people don't want to live next to it.
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Hey all! Not to make this thread go off topic, but a while back the whole Phoenix v Philadelphia debate came up when the cities switched positions on the population rank..


I just got back from a long weekend in Scottsdale/ Phoenix, while the natural desert scenary is stunning and amazing to explore (minus the August heat), Philadelphians (and residents of older cities) should be blessed at the density, character, walkability, architecture and so forth they possess. Scottsdale had a few gorgeous neighborhoods, but I felt like our most auto-centric suburbs had more charm then several neighborhoods minutes from downtown Phoenix. That wasmy first time in Arizona, stayed at the JW Marriott in Scottsdale, amazing resort if anyone wants a desert getaway.


Thats all, just wanted to share how thankful I am to have grown-up near cities like Philadelphia and New York.
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Old 08-28-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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It's not just, merely, or only a homeless mission.

It's actually a faith community that runs a dining room as part of the "radical hospitality" part of its overall mission.

Here, read about the place.
Sandy, I think we've already read that.

Anyhow, hopefully, there can be a solution found for people who loiter too much and too often there.

The city needs residents WITH MONEY. And they will shun both of Dranoff's projects if things stay as is at the BSM.
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Sandy, I think we've already read that.

Anyhow, hopefully, there can be a solution found for people who loiter too much and too often there.

The city needs residents WITH MONEY. And they will shun both of Dranoff's projects if things stay as is at the BSM.
Your middle paragraph is key.

What I've been reading up to this point struck me as leaning towards "kick the church off its property" arguments.

I have developed a strong case of compassion fatigue regarding people panhandling outside convenience stores and the like, but I don't advocate the "out of sight, out of mind" or "let's sweep this under the rug" approaches to the problem, and what I've been reading here smacks me as too much like those.

You and Tom Scannapieco on that last paragraph. And I understand where both of you are coming from: the folks with money are more likely to spend it and put it to work close to home. Maybe I'm being churlish by arguing that they should therefore also put up with the stuff the rest of us here do, but I don't think that's a totally invalid argument. However, if it means they don't move here in the first place....
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Old 08-29-2017, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Center City
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What I've been reading up to this point struck me as leaning towards "kick the church off its property" arguments.
You haven't read in my posts:
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BSM was there first. This is not a NIMBY matter in my book. Anything less than an offer that BSM happily accepts would likely face significant public pushback.
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Yes, but . . . forcing BSM to move carries an exceedingly high risk of being a huge PR nightmare. The story line: Elites make homeless center homeless. I think community pressure will successfully come to bare to ensure that doesn't happen. Any move would need to be seen as an improvement by BSM and loudly broadcast as such.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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Your middle paragraph is key.

What I've been reading up to this point struck me as leaning towards "kick the church off its property" arguments.

I have developed a strong case of compassion fatigue regarding people panhandling outside convenience stores and the like, but I don't advocate the "out of sight, out of mind" or "let's sweep this under the rug" approaches to the problem, and what I've been reading here smacks me as too much like those.

You and Tom Scannapieco on that last paragraph. And I understand where both of you are coming from: the folks with money are more likely to spend it and put it to work close to home. Maybe I'm being churlish by arguing that they should therefore also put up with the stuff the rest of us here do, but I don't think that's a totally invalid argument. However, if it means they don't move here in the first place....
What I advocate and support is ending homelessness via Project Home's mission. It's about the only way that there's a chance of actually doing it and solving the problem. It's more compassionate, in the long run, and makes total sense to me. BSM core mission has nothing to do with that as I understand it.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:01 AM
 
Location: New York City
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https://philly.curbed.com/2017/8/29/...ike-lane-opens

New bike lane in University City.

“We are still a car-centric society in Philadelphia and other cities have come along further than we have." The mayor actually made a good point here.

The lovely Jannie Blackwell feels differently.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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https://philly.curbed.com/2017/8/29/...ike-lane-opens

New bike lane in University City.

“We are still a car-centric society in Philadelphia and other cities have come along further than we have." The mayor actually made a good point here.

The lovely Jannie Blackwell feels differently.
Jannie Blackwell is an outdated tool. Her concern for her constituents is really to keep them voting for her. Imagine if she had to get a real job?

And kudos to the city for biting off an enormous 1.1 mile of road network. haha. The mayor is right in his comments, but his actions (e.g. South Philly parking and nothing in South Philly should change) enable the way we operate as a city.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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https://philly.curbed.com/2017/8/29/...ike-lane-opens

New bike lane in University City.

“We are still a car-centric society in Philadelphia and other cities have come along further than we have." The mayor actually made a good point here.

The lovely Jannie Blackwell feels differently.
Don't sweat it, time is on your side not her's. Keep remembering that.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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Jannie Blackwell is an outdated tool. Her concern for her constituents is really to keep them voting for her. Imagine if she had to get a real job?

And kudos to the city for biting off an enormous 1.1 mile of road network. haha. The mayor is right in his comments, but his actions (e.g. South Philly parking and nothing in South Philly should change) enable the way we operate as a city.
What's sad about her is that her late husband, Lucien Blackwell, was a progressive activist who was greatly admired... even nationally. She essentially got where she is through a kind nepotism and riding on his coat tails.

Truthfully, ending parking-on-Broad St probably isn't a winnable battle right now.
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