Philadelphia 2035 (Washington, Progress, Atlantic: income tax, roads, value)

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

honestly I really think the area on 11th (I think) between CBP and the lot heading toward Broad could also have a street effect with some bars/restaurants etc. Maybe also along broad toward the subway. Honestly I could see some mid-rise apts there as well - sort of city/suburb alternative with good BSL access (parking and Navy yard access

Yeah, something along those lines would be a nice addition.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

I'm glad the Market 8 casino project wasn't chosen. I don't think Market East needs a casino. At least the new casino will complement Xfinity Live at the Sports complex.

I tend to agree. But it's another missed opportunity to get rid of the parking lot at 8th and Market. So it will sit there even longer.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

I'm sure this new casino will certainly pave the way for more economic growth at the Sports complex.

Lets hope there won't be any more new casinos being in the Philadelphia-Atlantic City area. No need to try and compete against Las Vegas.

Philly can't get another license.

[MikeNigh]

Definitely agree with the sports area being a good place for the casino. Market street deserves better.

[kidphilly]

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[kyb01]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

There Are Some Brackets Fastened To The Top of Lit Bros. - Signs of the Times - Curbed Philly

Yes, it's a nice plan. Nothing to do with the wasted opportunity across from it. Since the casino plan has fallen through it will be years again, probably, before there's another "announcement".

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Yes, it's a nice plan. Nothing to do with the wasted opportunity across from it. Since the casino plan has fallen through it will be years again, probably, before there's another "announcement".

Center City can do much better than a downtown casino--I consider this a great victory for Philly.

Market8 was a "fools gold" proposal--as was Blatstein's. It's ludicrous and completely short-sighted to consider gambling as economic development. Have we learned absolutely nothing from the experience of Atlantic City?

The South Philly proposal absolutely makes the most sense, and if it closes shortly after it opens due to intense competition -- which is a very possible outcome -- it would not be an embarrassing albatross that would be a huge mess of a setback for a corridor that is finally hitting its stride in revitalization.

Yes, it may take a while for another proposal to surface at 8th and Market, but it least it won't take the form of a "get rich quick" scheme and will be much more sustainable.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Duderino

Yes, it may take a while for another proposal to surface at 8th and Market, but it least it won't take the form of a "get rich quick" scheme and will be much more sustainable.

It's already been over 30 years since any structure sat on that space. Well, there was the big hole dug to prep for the failed DisneyQuest development about 15 years ago. I see, "take a while", as actually meaning another huge extension of time.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by kyb01

It's already been over 30 years since any structure sat on that space. Well, there was the big hole dug to prep for the failed DisneyQuest development about 15 years ago. I see, "take a while", as actually meaning another huge extension of time.

I think it's important to note that Philadelphia is also seeing more investment now than it has been in decades. Of course, that doesn't mean it can simply turn down just any development, but it should also be strategic about how it approaches revitalization.

If you look at model cities for Philadelphia, I can guarantee you that none of them have a downtown slots barn. Progress can be frustratingly slow, but I am a strong believer in "slow and steady" wins the race. The careful decision-making that the city is making today (despite the criticisms against city government) will definitely pay-off in the long run.

[Pine to Vine]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Okay, but if Blatstein doesn't get the casino license for the Provence what will draw people to that property? Now there's this huge project.

Agree. Blatstein is just floating a proposal. If lots of retailers reach out to him, it's on. If not, he'll need to sit on it. Honestly, a large grocery store like Wegmans would seem a more natural fit for that neighborhood as opposed to trendy boutiques and restaurants. Broad south of South Street is not quite ripe, IMO. Retail spots reman empty at Dranoff's 777 and at least one restaurant, Chinamoto, folded at 777 even though the food was quite good. If a big box would sign on with Blattstein, that might help spur this project. But it's hard to imagine folks wanting to live in a posh highrise sitting on top of a Home Depot.

I'd be quite pleased to be proven wrong, but I think all the the energy will continue to be concentrated in developing CC east of Broad, particularly on Market and Chestnut. Once that's maxed out, then corners like S Broad and Washington will become very attractive.