Philadelphia 2035 (Reading, York, Newtown: best city, transfer, living in)

[couldntthinkofaclevername]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Well look at the Ridership from 5 years ago and compare it to today , on some lines and systems its grown by 40,000.

That's what I'm saying. That increase is without a major shift among the kids who grow up in the area so imagine how much more those numbers will grow when the people in the various places along major transit lines mostly use that transit.

I think that in order to do that though, they'll probably need to fix the pricing. That's where NYC definitely has us beat, and that's who we need to be competing with. We're the fifth biggest city in the US and the only one in the Top 5 other than NYC that's on the East Coast. We need to start acting like it and stop acting like we're a small city. We can't do that until we get the POSs currently in Harrisburg out of there though. How dare they slash our budgets when we're the reason they make so much of their money in this state.

[DarkWolf]

Amtrak's Dream for redevelopment

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[soug]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Amtrak's Dream for redevelopment

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Nice. It would be cool if they built one or two more bridges to connect the two sides of the river together.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by soug

Nice. It would be cool if they built one or two more bridges to connect the two sides of the river together.

Agreed, JFK is elevated, and between that and/or Market (at grade) the next pedestrian crossing is at Girard

[big mike 80]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Amtrak's Dream for redevelopment

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Good ***** NEXIS! You found one for me. I believe this an older one though. They had a newer plan that was up there too, around the year 2000 late 90's. Is this one still hanging up at 30th street? This has been the plan since the destruction of the chinese wall. The center city commuter tunnel was was the first step. A central business district along Market west and JFK was step 2. Step 3 has always been to deck and develop the CBD to the rail yards. All most there.

[big mike 80]

Originally Posted by couldntthinkofaclevername

That's what I'm saying. That increase is without a major shift among the kids who grow up in the area so imagine how much more those numbers will grow when the people in the various places along major transit lines mostly use that transit.

I think that in order to do that though, they'll probably need to fix the pricing. That's where NYC definitely has us beat, and that's who we need to be competing with. We're the fifth biggest city in the US and the only one in the Top 5 other than NYC that's on the East Coast. We need to start acting like it and stop acting like we're a small city. We can't do that until we get the POSs currently in Harrisburg out of there though. How dare they slash our budgets when we're the reason they make so much of their money in this state.

Its amazing how fast the city is changing these days. It's very different then it was when I was a kid. It appears that the population is growing faster, my hope is the 2020 census will blow our minds. If you look at developments present, recent and planed a lot of it is being done in close proximity of transit, north broad, broad and south, broad and Washington, northern liberties, kensington, Drexel, the rebuilt Market street El, new streetscaping for 52ND and market(I think the next big spot for development and change) expect transit ridership to explode. major junctions of the various forms of transit are going to be prime spots more then they already are. 30Th street, market east, city hall, all of market between 40Th and front street. If you examine the 2035 plan it calls for sub down towns 52ND street, temple and others I just don't recall where they all were at this time. It's all pretty awesome.

Sorry going on a rant there. To make our transit prices more competitive we need to increase ridership and that is happening. I also think there needs to be some leadership reform in the SEPTA organization as well.

[rotodome]

Originally Posted by big mike 80

Its amazing how fast the city is changing these days. It's very different then it was when I was a kid. It appears that the population is growing faster, my hope is the 2020 census will blow our minds. If you look at developments present, recent and planed a lot of it is being done in close proximity of transit, north broad, broad and south, broad and Washington, northern liberties, kensington, Drexel, the rebuilt Market street El, new streetscaping for 52ND and market(I think the next big spot for development and change) expect transit ridership to explode. major junctions of the various forms of transit are going to be prime spots more then they already are. 30Th street, market east, city hall, all of market between 40Th and front street. If you examine the 2035 plan it calls for sub down towns 52ND street, temple and others I just don't recall where they all were at this time. It's all pretty awesome.

Sorry going on a rant there. To make our transit prices more competitive we need to increase ridership and that is happening. I also think there needs to be some leadership reform in the SEPTA organization as well.

I think SEPTA prices are already competitive with other transit systems. It does need more ridership though, but the immediate needs are improved maintenance, and upgraded fare systems.
Expansion of the subway system is something that would greatly benefit the city. But of course, that's a very tall order, as few subway systems have actually been expanded recently in US cities. The expansion of the NYC subway has been moving at a snail's pace for decades, and that's for a system with huge ridership though several economic/development boom periods in NYC.

[DarkWolf]

Septa is pretty bad in Management terms , very backwards and does not think down the road. A Great Example of this is the suspension of the Trolley system and cut back of the Regional Rail system. While NJ and NY did that on some lines , Septa destoried an entire network for stupid reasons and unlike NJ and NY hasn't put any of those lines back. They also try to run there Regional Rail like Rapid Rail , and there Trolleys like Buses.... Its a very broken agency and its hurting SE PA. The City of Philly will some support from Private Investors should buy the Trolley lines and restore the 6 , 23 , 56 , 60 , and Waterfront trolleys , aswell as Expand the system.... The City of Philly never wanted the Trolley lines ripped up in the first place , that was a septa move... And they lied about the condition of some viaducts to end service...

[Marius Pontmercy]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Septa is pretty bad in Management terms , very backwards and does not think down the road. A Great Example of this is the suspension of the Trolley system and cut back of the Regional Rail system. While NJ and NY did that on some lines , Septa destoried an entire network for stupid reasons and unlike NJ and NY hasn't put any of those lines back. They also try to run there Regional Rail like Rapid Rail , and there Trolleys like Buses.... Its a very broken agency and its hurting SE PA. The City of Philly will some support from Private Investors should buy the Trolley lines and restore the 6 , 23 , 56 , 60 , and Waterfront trolleys , aswell as Expand the system.... The City of Philly never wanted the Trolley lines ripped up in the first place , that was a septa move... And they lied about the condition of some viaducts to end service...

Private entities have approached SEPTA multiple times to restore rail service on the Newtown and Reading lines, and SEPTA has repeatedly turned them down.

[nephi215]

It will be interesting if the plans to develop the waterfront will be executed without any major cutbacks.