Favorite mid-sized PA city skyline? (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: college, castle, getaway)

[danwxman]

Originally Posted by W-B proud

In that case W-B/Scr.and Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton are close enough to be considered one region, and that would put us at 2,000,000 plus easily. But that is ludicris and takes up about a fifth of the entire state! Philadelphia can claim it's part of the NYC metro area by the vast size of the metro area you are talking about! Come on! Wilkes-Barre is in eastern pa. That doesn't mean we get to claim the Lehigh Valley and the entire eastern slice of Pa. as our metro area. The same goes for Harrisburg.

IMO adding two counties (York and Lancaster) to the Harrisburg metro is hardly like adding Philadelphia to NYC or ABE to Scranton. The city of Harrisburg is only 7 miles from the Lancaster MSA (the county line) and only 4 miles from the York MSA (York county line). All three MSA's share the same television stations and have public transportation connecting them. So, I don't think it's too far fetched to say they could be combined.

[Marodi]

Originally Posted by danwxman

The Harrisburg MSA (metro area) population is 656,781 as of 2007. Source: Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle, PA MSA Population and Components of Change

Actually, if you count York (421,049) and Lancaster (498,465) you have a population over 1.5 million, easily making it the third highest concentration of population in PA behind Philly and Pittsburgh. It's not that much of a stretch either, since all three cities are in counties that border each other, have the same television stations and an increasing number of commuters between the two (via Amtrak and York's new express bus service to Harrisburg which has become very popular).

Indeed. They are trying to get the Capital Red Rose commuter rail between lancaster and harrisburg, as well as adding a second leg between york-harrisburg-hershey.


Also, Harrisburg CSA is around 600k, MSA is just above 500.

Pennsylvania metropolitan areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Erie never really had much of a skyline, except for the Baldwin Building (far left) and the cathedral (pointy thing in the middle). The Bicentennial Tower on Dobbin's Landing (far right) adds a little, but it still ain't much. Of course, it's a lousy picture (no insult intended to the original photographer -- looks like a murky day); on a sunny, clear day everything looks much better.

Johnstown is cool-looking from atop the hills surrounding it, but what you see isn't really a skyline is it? Still, it's the neatest looking picture of all of them.

Good pictures of the Erie skyline are hard to find, because the only place you can get one is from the tower, which then, of course, doesn't give you a good idea of what the bay front is like.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1/Eriesky2.jpg

The picture there is a little better.

But you are right, in the sense, that Erie doesn't have many structures that really stand out either.

[supersoulty]

Here is the best one I can find:



BTW, I got both the photos I have shown from this site. Might wanna try checking there next time

[Ohiogirl81]

I think I see my car parked in front of Smuggler's.

The bayfront still has a ways to go, doesn't it?

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

I think I see my car parked in front of Smuggler's.

The bayfront still has a ways to go, doesn't it?

Personally, I was against them putting the hotel there to begin with since completely blocks the very of the bay from the Dobbins Lane area, and the walking path up there. But I guess since the deed is done now, they might as well just develop the whole thing, so yes.

[bobsmith]

I've never been to Erie before, but from this picture the lakefront makes it look like a smaller Cleveland! Very cool.

[Ohiogirl81]

LOL, Erie is a smaller Cleveland!

I don't much like the hotel, either, but what can you do. I didn't like the idea of the library being built on the waterfront and the ballpark on the old Sears property -- they should have been swapped, IMHO -- but nobody listened to me ...

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

LOL, Erie is a smaller Cleveland!

I don't much like the hotel, either, but what can you do. I didn't like the idea of the library being built on the waterfront and the ballpark on the old Sears property -- they should have been swapped, IMHO -- but nobody listened to me ...

Well, you know, originally the people who built Millcreek Mall wanted to build an urban multi-story mall on the old Sears site, which would have been a great thing, but the city turned it down in favor of the ballpark and civic arena proposal (don't get me wrong, I love Jerry Uht Park, went to about 100 games there). Anyway, the group who built the mall came out of Youngstown, so you know there is a mafia connection there, somewhere, and they weren't pleased about being turned down.

Have you ever really looked at the layout of the Millcreek Mall? It is unmistakably shaped like a gun... and if you look at a map and trace the line of the barrel it is pointed directly at City Hall.

http://www.millcreekmall.net/malls/m...orymap__en.gif

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by supersoulty

Anyway, the group who built the mall came out of Youngstown, so you know there is a mafia connection there, somewhere, and they weren't pleased about being turned down.

The Cafaros? Were they the original developers of the mall? They were all mixed up with Jim Traficant, one of Ohio's most infamous politicians (and you thought that honor went to Dennis Kucinich ... ).

The gun thing cracks me up. Raining bullets down on City Hall may not altogether be a bad thing. Heh.