My cousin has told all 4 of his children not to have children of their own... (money, working)
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I'm not inherently against the idea of AMericans having less children, per se.
It's when the elites in this nation who control everything talk out of both sides of their mouths that drives me crazy.
They will say: "there are too many people on the planet and we are causing 'global warming' and therefore, need to have less children" or "it's good that Americans are having less children". And then, in their next statement will claim "America must allow a never-ending chain of immigration into our nation because it's the only way this economy can be sustained", and the like.
It's this double-talk from these people that makes my blood boil. If we need more people to take care of those who are getting old, then why not implement a system that makes it desirable and advantageous for young Americans to have children and have big families?
Redshadowz has pretty much pointed out that it's not about one thing or another. It is all about money - and the elites in charge of this nation don't care about the nation, they care about lower wages and a foolish population.
Governor Abbott in Texas could have closed his border the day he went into office, but to this day he couldn't care less about it. Bipartisan, elitist agreement that this never-ending invasion is desirable. Hogwash.
You would need to change America into a socialist or communist state for this to be implemented. Even if implemented, it would be unlikely to work any better than any of the other countries that have tried it. Our republic was founded on individual freedom and we've followed a free market economic model (for the most part). The founding fathers decided to utilize the desirability of their new country to harness incoming unskilled labor to replace the servant classes of the stagnant societies of the old world. This model has made people free to use their talents to acquire upward social mobility. That has resulted in rapid innovation and great technological advancement in the new world.
A centrally-planned economy where the government incentivizes native unskilled labor and disincentivizes education and competition was tried in the Soviet Union, and resulted in the collapse and breakup of that country. Smaller countries in the EU have implemented--with limited success--less stringent socioeconomic controls in their social democracies. They've achieved some measure of stability, but still badly lag the USA in terms of technological innovation and social mobility.
China has managed to maintain some measure of stability with a centrally-planned non-immigrant system, but at the cost of millions of deaths when the central planners screw up. They also have extreme control measures to make sure their people fall in line. They are now facing demographic collapse as well as having fallen into despotism to maintain control of their people.
Our immigration-based model might not be sustainable forever, but it is much more successful and stable than any other similar-sized society in modern times.
Anyway, this is all moot like any "Why not just..." question. The answer is: "we are a representative republic" and you can't "just" anything when you've got a democratic system with tens of millions of voters. Transform the USA into a dictatorship, and you can "just" screw it up with whatever hairbrained idea Dear Leader comes up with.
...... My point still stands: the smartest of our people have gotten it in their heads ........ that them no procreating/recreating their own is some how desirable. That's a crime against humanity in my view.
If they are indeed the smartest of people and that's their stance then they have intelligent reason for taking that stance. So what does that say about the intelligence of the people who think it's a crime against humanity for the most intelligent people to not produce children that they can't afford to maintain in a world that is already over-populated and getting lower and lower on natural resources? Think about that paradox more carefully if you are capable.
The smartest people who are refusing to produce children are indeed very smart and insightful. They are looking ahead to the future salvation of humanity and the future salvation of the world itself and all other living things on it besides only humans.
I think this topic should have been posted in the Politics & Other Controversies forum instead of in the parenting forum. This thread is not about parenting at all, it has nothing to do with parenting. It's about your personal politics and your attitude about races and your own beliefs about the alleged lack of intelligence and capabilities of immigrants.
If they are indeed the smartest of people and that's their stance then they have intelligent reason for taking that stance. The smartest people who are refusing to produce children are indeed very smart and insightful. They are looking ahead to the future salvation of humanity and the future salvation of the world itself and all other living things on it besides only humans.
Smart people realize that socially and economically it makes no sense and there is too much uncertainty/risk. The question is, why doesn't it make sense and why is there so much uncertainty?
People seem to be believe that this is just the way it is. Usually by ranting about freedom and choices. Which I find ironic because these are often the same people that complain about capitalism, consumerism, finance(banks), propaganda/advertising, etc.
I refuse to bring another soul into this world of morons and sheep. I especially have no interest in this degenerate, immoral, unstable, unhappy, and loveless future that leftists are creating, and have already created.
Humans are selfish. People aren't choosing to not have children out of benevolence. They are doing so selfishly. Under the current system of government, and under current social conditions, it makes sense to not have children. But don't assume that our current system of government is natural or eternal. And furthermore, don't assume that immigration has any other purpose than to drive down business costs(mostly through comparatively cheap labor) and for global economic/social integration.
I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the goal of a global economy and globalization is globalism. We will have world-wide integration. The current borders cannot and will not exist indefinitely.
"Since trade ignores national boundaries and manufacturers insist on having the world as a market, the flag of the nation must follow him and the doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down. Concessions obtained by financiers must be safe-guarded by Ministers of State, even if the sovereignty of an unwilling nation be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused." - Woodrow Wilson
Last edited by Redshadowz; 10-05-2021 at 03:52 PM..
Hungary gives tax breaks to their citizens who have more children. Why don't we do that in America if we are suffering from "replacement rate" reproduction, or whatever it is they call it?
Why do we import people that aren't intelligent than advocate that the working class America have children of their own?
The powers to be "import" people for two primary reasons -
The first is cheap labor. We have firms in the country (they've been around for years) who hold seminars for the business community on how to "make it look like they are advertising for employees" but not really. It's the process where deliberately achieve hiring failure is the goal so they can then go to the govt and apply and bring in/hire special visa applicants. Businesses import and hire more STEM employees than they hire American students with huge debt from attending our ridiculously priced colleges and universities.
The second is more insidious and destructive. A move to import more illegal and legal immigrants into the country that have no interest in assimilating, nor supporting the foundation and principals that this country was founded upon. In fact many being allowed into the USA have questionable associations and their goal is to destabilize and take over from within.
Both processes will ultimately lead to the destruction of this country.
For those not keeping up...a recent Biden appointee that was confirmed is OPPOSED to private banking and desires to ultimately close all banking institutions (yep.. close your local bank, credit union and savings and loan as you know it), take over assets and move them under the jurisdiction of the Federal Reserve.
Dude, literally three of the five criteria absolutely apply:
-Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
-Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
-Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Anyways, I don't even know how to tackle this thread anymore since once again, it has been moved.
Sure White-American are oppressed , Make America Great Again!!!.......LOL....
Calif is USA Top...Wealthiest...Most Advanced...Most Powerful State
California has the 4th-highest per-capita GDP in the United States, but the 4th-highest inequality. California has the 7th-lowest National test scores, the third-lowest average IQ, and by far the largest homeless population.
California is primarily the beneficiary of Silicon Valley. Which was itself the beneficiary of Federal government spending/contracts/grants.
PS: I was looking at a map of the silicon valley area, specifically Atherton. It is quite amazing how much money is out there alongside all that poverty. It is truly a two-tiered society of the rich and their servants.
Makes me wonder where all the third-world peasants live who do all the physical labor.
The collecive health of the nation. If we are producing generations of our youth who have bought into this garbage, we're all doomed.
Were all doomed anyway. Heat death is our ultimate destination. But also, there is no need to worry about reproduction. Many people are discovering that it is not necessarily the best way to spend your short time on this planet. If the human race ends, so what? As long as we are free and live the lives we want, imagined future people are irrelevant really. They don’t exist and won’t “miss” not existing. Any more than you did for the billions of years that you didn’t exist, and the eternity that will you will not miss once you are gone. Death bed logic is silly. It’s the most unimportant moment in our lives and people always bring it up.
If you want kids and can afford them comfortably, go for it. It’s just one path you can take. There are many others also, and it depends on your personality and circumstances. It’s not for every one. It consumes your life, adds drudgery, is expensive, and diverts you from almost all other goals, at least for awhile. It’s also magic for some people and provides purpose. To each his own. Whether you reproduce or not has no intrinsic value or meaning. Unless you bring it purpose and value it. Some do. Some don’t.
I think this sort of thinking is....sick. My cousin is smart - he is an eagle scout (back when becoming an Eagle scout was still a true task), he was valedictorian of his HS, and he got a full ride through college to study biology. And he has told all four of his children not to have children of their own, and they have pretty much bought into his twisted rhetoric (only one of them, the girl, had a child). How do you tell someone like this how poisonous this thinking is? The smartest, most productive people in society have bought into this de facto genocide they have had their minds infiltrated with, and we see the ramifications of that throughout society. It drives me mad. We, humans, are the only species on earth that would tell our children not to reproduce. I think it is just so demonic and sad.
there is nothing "demonic" or "poisonous" about not having children, or about choosing not have children, or sharing their views with others about not having children.
the impression i get from the views expressed by the OP, is a marked intolerance for those with different views. That is what i find dangerous and disturbing, the intolerance.
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