[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by Bass&Catfish2008

For the few fellow Okies on here who are absolutely convinced that Oklahoma/Tulsa is the "gem" of the Midwest there is a poll over on the General Forum that you might want to look at.

The OP, not from Oklahoma, asked folks around the country if Oklahoma is most associated with the South, the Midwest, or the West. The vast majority (I think it was almost double) of folks who voted view Oklahoma as part of the South, not the Midwest. You DID manage to surpass the "West" option, however. I'm guessing Midwest would have been left in the dust just like our own poll if "Southwest" would have been an option.

I'm sorry as I know this just really break your Lil Midwestern hearts. There's still some time to go over there and vote for the Midwest.....Lord knows the Midwest needs some love!

BTW, there were several folks from the true Midwest (Wisconsin and Iowa to name a few) who posted on the thread in the General Forum. Not one of them thought Oklahoma belonged in the Midwest region with their respective states. Just FYI.

[teakboat]

It is a transitional state. The west is fading into the Southwest, the Southeast is Southern, Tulsa north is essentially midwestern. South of OKC might as well be Texas. Why are we trying to force a square peg into round holes? It defies simple labels, I say give up trying.

[swake]

If you think Tulsa isn't very similar to Kansas City, Omaha or Des Moines you are kidding yourself or haven't been there.

if you think Tulsa has much at all in common with Jackson, Memphis and Birmingham you are deluded.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by swake

If you think Tulsa isn't very similar to Kansas City, Omaha or Des Moines you are kidding yourself or haven't been there.

if you think Tulsa has much at all in common with Jackson, Memphis and Birmingham you are deluded.

Not my problem.

Take it up with the true Midwesterners over on the General Forum, Swakester. Present your assertions how Oklahoma/Tulsa are part of the Midwest and lets just let the Native Midwesterners agree/disagree with you.

Good luck.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Bass&Catfish2008

Not my problem.

Take it up with the true Midwesterners over on the General Forum, Swakester. Present your assertions how Oklahoma/Tulsa are part of the Midwest and lets just let the Native Midwesterners agree/disagree with you.

Good luck.

There is no denying that Tulsa has it's roots in the midwest and east as it was founded by oilmen essentially to stay across the river from the boomtowns. Sinclair, Skelly, the Phillipses, Tom Slick. All those guys were easterners and midwesterners. So Tulsa certainly has a legacy from those areas. As time has gone by, obviously the Ozark Highland "south" has encroached upon Tulsa.

It would seem to me that the answer is "both".

[johnspecial]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

There is no denying that Tulsa has it's roots in the midwest and east as it was founded by oilmen essentially to stay across the river from the boomtowns. Sinclair, Skelly, the Phillipses, Tom Slick. All those guys were easterners and midwesterners. So Tulsa certainly has a legacy from those areas. As time has gone by, obviously the Ozark Highland "south" has encroached upon Tulsa.

It would seem to me that the answer is "both".

Why do you keep fighting it. Do you realize that people in the actual midwest laugh at people in Tulsa that claim that region. People in the southern US understand that Oklahoma is culturally akin.

We, Tulsa included have nothing in common with the midwest. Nothing.

[teakboat]

Yes we do haha

People in Georgia and Alabama likewise do not include us in the South.

Tulsa was indeed founded by midwesterners. That is why Tulsa's downtown looks like an old Indianapolis. I do business with midwesterners every day. There is zero cultural gap. This big divide is only in your heads.

[okie1962]

Originally Posted by teakboat

Yes we do haha

People in Georgia and Alabama likewise do not include us in the South.

Tulsa was indeed founded by midwesterners. That is why Tulsa's downtown looks like an old Indianapolis. I do business with midwesterners every day. There is zero cultural gap. This big divide is only in your heads.

I don't think too many could argue against that!

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by teakboat

Yes we do haha

People in Georgia and Alabama likewise do not include us in the South.

Tulsa was indeed founded by midwesterners. That is why Tulsa's downtown looks like an old Indianapolis. I do business with midwesterners every day. There is zero cultural gap. This big divide is only in your heads.

And the climate of Tulsa has nothing in common with the Midwest. Much further south in latitude and far hotter.

[teakboat]

Not much farther south. Tulsa is a little lower in latitude than Saint Louis. We are quite a bit higher in latitude than Mobile Alabama. A warm summer day in Columbus Ohio vs a warm day in Tulsa, It ices up a few weeks earlier in Columbus than in Tulsa. I can drive between the two in a day. What difference does it really make?

Oklahoma has strong elements of the south, the midwest, Texas, and the southwest. It is difficult to define it past that statement. Sorry for the incongruity and painful cognitive dissonance. Maybe we should just have a cold beer.