Oklahoma City - Big League City? (Alex, Washington: good schools, restaurants, price)
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Wrong!! and I have backed that up with sources. Where are your's??
Sources? You backed up your claim Boston isn't liberal with a single source, which, again, focuses on parties, not ideologies. You've also "backed up" your arguments with sketchy and unreliable sources, such as Forbes and Wikipedia. As I recall, in the early 2000s Oklahoma elected a Democratic governor. Does that now make Oklahoma liberal? I really don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. What matters far more than which party is in office are the laws that make it through the legislative process. So let's see... and try to keep in mind that the bulk of the state's population lives in metro Boston: Massachusetts was one of the first states to legalize gay marriage (that's common knowledge); the state has labor laws that are friendlier to workers (and keep in mind that Boston's economy is actually larger than conservative "business friendly" states like Arizona and Oklahoma); its abortion laws have some conservative aspects, though it does allow for relatively late-term abortions (after 20 weeks); it's also common knowledge that Massachusetts has universal health care; the state also appears to have a medical marijuana initiative on its ballot this year... something Arizona also had that was approved by voters, and the conservative governor blocked from going into law... kinda makes you go hmm...
Actually I agree with you on that one. The employers hiring them are the big problem. Until we can pass stricter laws on our enablers this problem will continue.
I actually favor a guest worker program. That would allow them to work and pay taxes without citizenship. I don't know what you do for a living, but I am not at all in competition with illegal immigrants in finding work. There was a movement called Take Our Jobs, in which an organization made it easy for American citizens to find work illegal immigrants typically do... though very few citizens signed up to take those jobs.
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The illegal immigration enablers sitting in the white house right now will hopefully be ousted in november.
Right now? You mean like all the work Bush put into resolving the issue?
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Yes, too bad you liberals have proven you only believe in freedom from religion, but not freedom OF religion. Not only the contraception mandate, but you want to shut down churches, prevent people from talking about God in public, force everyone to go to school and work on religious holidays, etc. Not to mention atheism and communism are pretty much equals. Banks and government institutions shut down for a lot of holidays that many people celebrate. That is to give workers the chance to be with their families on Christmas. If you don't like Christmas then you don't have to celebrate it. No one forces you to go out and buy a christmas tree, buy presents, and sing O'holy night ya know.
Oh this is gonna be good.
You want freedom OF religion, just so long as it's yours and everyone else has to abide by your doctrine. Religious propagandists have actually convinced their sheep... er, followers that there is a "war on religion." They pull on your puppet strings and you believe them, and pretty much everything you're claiming in this ridiculous argument was spoon-fed to you. Provide proof liberals are trying to shut down churches. No one is saying to stop talking about god... they're just trying to get it out of government. You're a Christian, so that's why you feel attacked... but you're also a hypocrite. The Constitution clearly states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." In other words, Christian dogma has just as much place in American government as that of Hinduism, Islam, Wicca and Zoroastrianism.
But I do agree with you that people are forced to work on religious holidays. I don't see the government recognizing Hanukkah, Tet or Diwali. No, the favor clearly goes to Christians. Here's a novel idea: if you want to celebrate your pagan holiday (and Christmas is a direct ripoff of the pagan Yule,) why don't you do what the other religions do and use EEO policies to your advantage and take the time off work?
Atheism and communism are equal? Atheism is the rejection of religious superstitions, and communism is the belief in equal pay amongst all citizens. You're right! Those sound so much alike! No, no one forces me to celebrate Christmas, but I do get to deal with the attitude you people get that joyous time of year, when you're extra stressed to celebrate commercialism. Oops, I mean the birth of Christ. And again, no one forces me to celebrate Christmas... so why haven't you answered the question I asked you earlier? Why are "anti-control" conservatives so adamant about creating such invasive laws on other people's lives, when no one is forced to do any of them?
Being that a majority of Americans celebrate Christmas and would demand it off, business couldn't happen that day so it makes sense for businesses simply to close. I would think many business owners would refuse to open that day, do you think the government should force them to? Many of your fellow atheists I've met even celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving. It's simply American tradition. I don't think Thanksgiving is a religious holiday anyways. Other holidays the economy shuts down for, like New Years Day and July 4th have nothing to do with religion. As for schools, Christmas falls during "Winter Break" which encompasses the entire second half of December, so students and teachers aren't getting of specifically for that one day.
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Being that a majority of Americans celebrate Christmas and would demand it off, business couldn't happen that day so it makes sense for businesses simply to close. I would think many business owners would refuse to open that day, do you think the government should force them to? Many of your fellow atheists I've met even celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving. It's simply American tradition. I don't think Thanksgiving is a religious holiday anyways. Other holidays the economy shuts down for, like New Years Day and July 4th have nothing to do with religion. As for schools, Christmas falls during "Winter Break" which encompasses the entire second half of December, so students and teachers aren't getting of specifically for that one day.
It really depends where you are. In cities like New York or LA (or anywhere with a substantial non-Christian population,) there would be enough demand to keep a number of services open, including government. Many atheists do celebrate Christmas, but to me it's just another day. I've spent that season in non-Christian countries before, and it feels like paradise. The people aren't as nasty, Christian beliefs aren't forced onto everyone, no Christmas music plays... and on December 25th, everything is open. By the way, Christmas isn't an "American" tradition. It's common in Christian countries. And Thanksgiving isn't religious. I'm well aware that businesses close on non-religious holidays, but that's completely irrelevant to the point. The point is that I said Christians like to push their beliefs on others, and get offended when people fight back, and Christmas is no exception to how they shove their beliefs in everyone else's face. Last year, there was a brouhaha over last year's White House Christmas card for not having a Christmas tree on it. Why does the White House even need to release a Christmas card? Or why does Washington need the National Christmas Tree for that matter? That comes off as an endorsement of one religion over all other affiliations. If the president or any high-ranking official in the government wants to celebrate it, fine. He/she is free to do that without subjecting everyone to their beliefs.
You're also turning this into an "atheists vs. Christians" argument. All of these things are disrespectful to non-Christians who call America home.
Not to be rude, but what the heck does any of this have to do with OKC being a "big league city"?
Kinda stinks, it was actually an enjoyable conversation at one point.
So yeah, lets get this back on topic. I think I've seen OKC on a couple of Forbes lists or CNN lists recently, one of them being among the best cities for young professionals. While that isn't say much in itself and you have to take those lists with a grain of salt, a few years ago OKC would have never been considered for lists like that. It shows how far the city has come and if it plays its cards right, could be a boomtown this next decade.
Oklahoma City is not considered a "big league city" for sure. OKC does not have the rat infestation of New York City , the crime is not so large that it is picked to be shown on the tv program First 48 like Dallas , OKC is not the "gang capital of the nation" that title belongs to LA.
OKC is a midwestern city that is just fine the way it is, a small city that is what it is.
I hear YOU. I live in the DFW Metroplex and OKC is a great city IMO. DFW is a great place as well. It's good to have unique cities within a few hours drive. I applaud OKC for what she has achieved over the last 15 years. It's GREAT to have an entertaining city within a few hours drive.
It really depends where you are. In cities like New York or LA (or anywhere with a substantial non-Christian population,) there would be enough demand to keep a number of services open, including government. Many atheists do celebrate Christmas, but to me it's just another day. I've spent that season in non-Christian countries before, and it feels like paradise. The people aren't as nasty, Christian beliefs aren't forced onto everyone, no Christmas music plays... and on December 25th, everything is open. By the way, Christmas isn't an "American" tradition. It's common in Christian countries. And Thanksgiving isn't religious. I'm well aware that businesses close on non-religious holidays, but that's completely irrelevant to the point. The point is that I said Christians like to push their beliefs on others, and get offended when people fight back, and Christmas is no exception to how they shove their beliefs in everyone else's face. Last year, there was a brouhaha over last year's White House Christmas card for not having a Christmas tree on it. Why does the White House even need to release a Christmas card? Or why does Washington need the National Christmas Tree for that matter? That comes off as an endorsement of one religion over all other affiliations. If the president or any high-ranking official in the government wants to celebrate it, fine. He/she is free to do that without subjecting everyone to their beliefs.
You're also turning this into an "atheists vs. Christians" argument. All of these things are disrespectful to non-Christians who call America home.
I think you're the one turning this into an Atheist vs Christian argument. Why not just live and let live? Christmas (to me) is a time of joy and fellowship with other people. It's sad that people would hate such a thing.
Actually yes they are. The Thunder has been doing great in OKC, it isn't going anywhere. On top of that, Seattle isn't too good at sports anyway because it is such a liberal city.
And so Thunder got beat because Miami is a more conservative city than Oklahoma City?
Sorry, but Romney and his choice of running mate has pretty much given Obama the win. If the GOP really wanted to win the next election they would have went with Newt, or gasp, Ron Paul. You know, Republicans who actually stood a chance to win.
Ha ha ha polls show a different story my friend. You get ONE vote like the rest of us....or is Obama pulling ACORN out again to let people double vote again? Sorry, but your opinion is your opinion and your vote is your vote and you get one of them and you don't decide the election for everybody else.
Your opinion on Paul Ryan is just that, YOUR opinion. Paul Ryan is actually a very good choice for VP. He has years of Washington leadership experience, which was something Obummer had very little of before becoming president. Plus Ryan isn't running for president, he is running for VP. Romney also isn't some old man who could croak at anytime like McCain was. Plus you guys don't have Bush around anymore to try to make it look like he is running again. You don't know who is going to win and neither do I or anyone else. It is not over until election night.
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I am an atheist. I am not going to hide that. From an atheist's perspective, the point is not to deny God public space, but to question why there is also not Allah public space or Buddha public space and atheist public space or Jewish public space. The point being that those who want "God" (did you forget that Judaism and Muslim worship the same Abrahamic God?) to be prevalent in American society (in public schools, for example) are also the same people that want other religions to "go away". Yes, of course there should be freedom of religion. Well, as long as freedom of YOUR religion includes freedom of OTHERS religion, too.
I don't have any problems with those religions. Yes some people do, but I don't.
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I celebrate Christmas. Yes, I do. To me, it is an American holiday, not necessarily a religious one. And, as someone who is 100% blue collar working class, I f**king wish I had "religious" holidays off. To equate atheism with Communism is totally nuts.
Okay, maybe that was a little off, but there are some similarities. Atheists don't believe God is controlling things and over government, so they see the government as God. Plus atheism was a big and important calling in Marx's book. He believed God was getting in the way of the success of the world and that religion must be banned in communist societies in order for them to succeed. Well it was, and every communist country that has ever existed has FAILED miserably. More people have been killed by communism than by any type of government in the history of the world. Communism is too utopian for this world.
Also, atheist groups like American Atheists and the Freedom from Religion Foundation have been trying to get Christmas banned as a federal holiday for a long time.
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LA is a liberal city, sure, but not necessarily a Liberal city. Anyone who thinks that California is Liberal does not know one thing about it. I was born and raised there. Well, hey, I guess it is Liberal if you mean that Liberals like guns and do not like to be told what to do. I guess it is Liberal if you like rodeos and cowboys and the military and the Fourth of July. But hey, you believe what you believe. Besides, Prop 8 got shot down. Yeah, real Liberal there. California predominately elects Republican Governors. Yup, real Liberal there. Hmmm....oh that is right, Ronnie Reagan was a California Governor, too. And you know, he is the poster child for the GOP, right.
Actually California used to be quite a conservative state. Orange County used to be one of the most conservative parts of the country. San Francisco and the Bay Area has always been a liberal bastion, but not most of the rest of the state. From the 1952 presidential election to 1992, the Republican candidate has won California in every election except for 1964. It was in recent decades that the state grew more liberal and began giving the state away to Mexico. It also has an ultra-liberal governor now.
I also agree with the other posters, we need to get back to the topic of the thread.
And so Thunder got beat because Miami is a more conservative city than Oklahoma City?
No, the Thunder got beat because Commissar Stern willed it so. Aubrey McC could only afford to get to the finals, not actually win them.
IMHO, the NBA is worse than the WWE. It has terrible story lines with completely predictable plots while employing repugnant actors who can't be relied upon to remember their lines in a press conference.
The NBA might become a sport again once Commisar Stern leaves.
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, the crime is not so large that it is picked to be shown on the tv program First 48 like Dallas 
