Impact of man-made climate change on the Ohio economy (dangerous, safe)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by HueysBack

I think that is actually a really good analogy for some of this forums posters (who clearly don't understand what's going on).

You visit your doctor with chest pains. He runs a series of tests. Those tests indicate you have coronary heart disease and diabetes. You ask why and how? Because you ate like s*** and never exercised Brad! To save your life he recommends you some radical treatment options....

Do you:
a) Laugh and scoff at him, "The body is always changing and aging. It's natural you idiot." Then raise your nose and call him a shill for the big doctor's associations?
b) Do you listen to him (because he is your f'n doctor!) and follow his recommendations?
c) Do you believe him but refuse the treatment anyways because you want to die an especially horrible death?

[ohmarshall]

Do you believe him but refuse the treatment anyways because you want to die an especially horrible death?

No you just get a second opinion. As many scientists say this is all man made climate change, there are that many saying it's what's been happening for a million years.

[OhioJB]

Originally Posted by ohmarshall

Do you believe him but refuse the treatment anyways because you want to die an especially horrible death?

No you just get a second opinion. As many scientists say this is all man made climate change, there are that many saying it's what's been happening for a million years.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by ohmarshall

As many scientists say this is all man made climate change, there are that many saying it's what's been happening for a million years.

It's not happening over a million years. It's happening mostly in the last 70 years, although fossil fuel consumption resulting from industrialization has been mushrooming for the last 150 years.

https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels

And reading the following Michael Mann interview, I realized that annual global carbon dioxide emissions are not 5.5 metric gigatons as I've repeatedly posted based on a NASA link that was outdated (1997), but over 35 metric gigatons!!!

https://www.loe.org/shows/segments.h...MzwGWuYlzzfc9Q

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis...e-year-plateau

How much is 35 metric gigatons? It's equal to the weight of 19 billion new cars weighing an average of two tons; annual global new vehicle production is less than 100 million vehicles. It's equal to 15.4 trillion 5-lb. bags of sugar. Deniers who argue that such pollution is adversely inconsequential are either a confederacy of dunces and/or deliberate prevaricators IMO.

So you repeat again the great denier straw man argument. It assumes that the massive releases of carbon dioxide resulting from the burning of fossil fuels is inconsequential, when the empirical reality is that fossil fuel burning is both increasing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and the absorption of carbon dioxide by the oceans -- the result is 1) warming of the atmosphere but especially of the oceans, which have absorbed over 90 percent of the heat resulting from man-made climate change; 2) the rapid increase of ocean acidity, with disastrous results for marine life. All of this has been repeatedly documented in this thread.

Read the intermediate debunking of the denier claim that the changes in just several decades are the same thing as changes that occurred over millions, but more likely hundreds of millions of years.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/cli...termediate.htm

And again, peer-reviewed scientific consensus dismisses all of the denier excuses in the face of the obvious to everyone pollution resulting from the burning of fossil fuels, and the substantial empirical data which increasingly documents the dire consequences. See post 19. Read again this thread, with all of the posts documenting the severe consequences of past, present and future fossil fuel burning, if we don't transition rapidly to an economy with vastly reduced fossil fuel burning.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by ohmarshall

Do you believe him but refuse the treatment anyways because you want to die an especially horrible death?

No you just get a second opinion. As many scientists say this is all man made climate change, there are that many saying it's what's been happening for a million years.

The two views are not the same. Natural change has happened, but human change is happening now, unregulated by natural forces, which means it can and will escalate out of control.
Also, your premise is false. Human-induced climate change deniers are a rarity within scientific circles, particularly those fields that deal directly with climate.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by ohmarshall

As many scientists say this is all man made climate change, there are that many saying it's what's been happening for a million years.

[citation needed]

[1watertiger]

I thought I would throw this out there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.glo...fare/20407/amp

[WRnative]

In the most informative man-made climate change lament that I've ever read, a veteran climate change journalist assesses the dire state of the planet and how we got to this point.

Despite my extensive readings on the subject, there are discussions and claims in this article that are entirely new to me, such as the revelations about Exxon. As I read that discussion, I reflected on the fact that the City Club's weekly featured speakers have included former Exxon and other fossil fuel company CEOs, such as Rex Tillerson, but to my knowledge, never any leading climate change scientist, such as James Hansen.

The claim in the article that the heat that accumulates EVERY DAY as a result of greenhouse gas emissions is equal to the heat generated by 400,000 Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs was shocking. I've read it several times unable to believe that was the actual claim:

<<The extra heat that we trap near the planet every day is equivalent to the heat from four hundred thousand bombs the size of the one that was dropped on Hiroshima.>>

Is this true? Shouldn't Congress investigate this, because, if this unimaginable claim is true, it certainly illustrates the severity of the problem.

Most disturbing were the claims, unfortunately, the likes of which I've read several times, relating to water supplies and agricultural production.

<< In the fall, a record drought in Germany lowered the level of the Elbe to below twenty inches and reduced the corn harvest by forty per cent. The Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research concluded in a recent study that, as the number of days that reach eighty-six degrees Fahrenheit or higher increases, corn and soybean yields across the U.S. grain belt could fall by between twenty-two and forty-nine per cent. >>

It seems almost inevitable that Ohio and other Great Lakes states will become havens for climate change refugees in coming decades. It also seems inevitable, barring a change in U.S. and global policies to emphasize a rapid transition away from fossil fuel consumption, that the world, and Ohio, will be an environmentally degraded and likely economically poorer place.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ing-the-planet

[beach43ofus]

WRnative said: "It also seems inevitable, barring a change in U.S. and global policies to emphasize a rapid transition away from fossil fuel consumption, that the world, and Ohio, will be an environmentally degraded and likely economically poorer place."

Especially Ohio due to all the fossil fuel production going on there. Wages have fallen by 30% there when adjusted for inflation since 2000 as you claimed, and I don't see that turning around.

Get out while the getting's still good.

[beach43ofus]

And, here's more information about Ohio's impact upon man-made climate change...warning...it's not good!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...al-environment

I have to credit henry10 for this link. He found it and shared it with me on a Florida topic thread.

Ohio's 3rd from last on the environment, while Florida's #1 best.

Ohio's clearly adding to man-made global climate change. Are the jobs really worth it?

These results dont even takeito account the 2 giant Ethane Cracking plants that will soon fire up in Ohio. Geez, Ohio's a E-mess!