Question about Columbus vs. Cincinnati (Cleveland: stats, bars, housing)

[cincyUK]

Originally Posted by Jdfess6

But if you think about it, Cincinnati could become a miniature New York City/Jersey City.

Oh my god... that's all that can be said for that quote.



Just because Newport on the Levee ended up on the KY side of the river, doesn't mean it didn't benefit the whole city. I'm not concerned with which local/state government gets the tax dollars and you shouldn't be either - it all benefits the town.

[Garonyldas]

There is a very strong stereotype that I've run into in all parts of Ohio, as well as other states, that Cincinnati is a largely black community that is crime-ridden. I'm not saying that I really think that's how it is, since I've only ever been there once, but the fact that this is something that seems to be "common knowledge" may very well be why Columbus gets a big more attention.

Columbus itself has recently expanded where it pulls taxes from communities like Hilliard, so they've got a little bit more money to play with as far as developing the city. Mayor Coleman has also been working hard to give Columbus the image that we're sort of renovating in the hopes of becoming a seriously major U.S. city. Many criticize Columbus because of its admittedly insane amount of urban sprawl (police officers joke about how it literally swallows precincts whole, seriously), but it's given Columbus the advantage of being home to several wealthy and relatively quiet suburbs with pretty good school districts. Overall it makes the city pretty diverse and rich with job and housing opportunities, and it's still growing. The stereotype around Cinnci is that it's just pretty much lying dormant.

So...I'm not sure, but I think that may play a big part in things.

[hillside]

columbus doesnt get a tenth of cinci's attention ppl still call it columbus, ohio bc alot of the nation still thinks of columbus, ga. cinci is older and ghetto but not just black the east end thats not condos, alot of price hill and the whole westside is white ghetto. carthage, norwood, etc. its not a good comparison bc cinci is cleveland, st louis, not columbus or indy

[Traveler87]

Cincinnati though is a changing city. Cincinnati is not a Detroit or St. Louis. Have you ever been to those cities before? The amount of urban decay is crazy. In Cincinnati you are seeing historic districts like Over-The-Rhine being re-created. Cincinnati has shown population increases in its own population, not just the extremely rapidly growing populations of its suburbs such as Mason. The construction going on downtown around Fountain Square, the new sports stadiums, and the Banks Project and Cincy's new tallest skyscraper being built. Cincinnati is in a new class of cities now. People have negative opinons on the city, but some haven't even been there in years. I suggest taking another trip back, you will like what you see.

[Cincy-Rise]

In 2008-2009, you will see about $2 billion dollars worth of construction starting in downtown Cincinnati (this is not counting OTR, which is seeing a tremendous amount of redevelopment happening).

[hillside]

have you been to cincinnati? it is def in the class of cleveland and st louis. old, rustbelt, high crime high poverty cities. none of that is columbus. cinci was rated poorer than both cities in 06 and had a higher murder rate than cleveland that yr. otr is gentrifying bc it is downtown. thats it. ppl aint buyin up property in camp washington, fairmount, milvale, walnut hills and some other bombed parts of town

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by hillside

have you been to cincinnati? it is def in the class of cleveland and st louis. old, rustbelt, high crime high poverty cities. none of that is columbus. cinci was rated poorer than both cities in 06 and had a higher murder rate than cleveland that yr. otr is gentrifying bc it is downtown. thats it. ppl aint buyin up property in camp washington, fairmount, milvale, walnut hills and some other bombed parts of town

Cincinnati Homicide Totals
2005: 79
2006: 85
2007: 55

-25% decrease from last year.


Ranked Most Dangerous
1. Detroit, Michigan
2. St. Louis, Missouri
3. Flint, Michigan
4. Oakland, California
5. Camden, New Jersey
6. Birmingham, Alabama
7. North Charleston, South Carolina
8. Memphis, Tennessee
9. Richmond, California
10. Cleveland, Ohio

Experts say 'most dangerous city' rankings twist numbers - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/dangerous.cities.ap/index.html - broken link)


Total Personal Income is TPI (in thousands)
Per Capita Personal Income is PCPI
The national growth rate for PCPI from 95-05 was 4.1%

1. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH
TPI: $75,278,388
PCPI: 103% of national average
Annual growth rate of PCPI 95-05: 3.4%

2. Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN
TPI: $73,103,138
PCPI: 101% of national average
Annual growth rate of PCPI 95-05: 4.0%

3. Columbus, OH
TPI: $59,674,389
PCPI: 101% of national average
Annual growth rate of PCPI 95-05: 3.9%


Building Permits (All Units) 3/1/2007
Cincinnati: 795.00
Cleveland: 324.00
Columbus: 436.00
Pittsburgh: 626.00

With Cincinnati growing by an average of 12k a year and cleveland shrinking by 4k a year, if population trends continue unchanged, cincinnati will be ahead on December 2nd, 2008 with the standings as follows

Cincinnati 2,112,441
Cleveland 2,112,318
Columbus 1,775,125

[hillside]

thats 79, 90 and 68 for homicides

and thats one year, man, and its murder. the hardest to predict. wait to see a trend at least. i actually do think stats are inaccurate and cooked, as well as not being universally defined.

but still...look at the expanded top 25

Safest and Most Dangerous U.S. Cities, 2007 — Infoplease.com

i only like comparing crime in cities of similar size

major cities

1.detroit
2.stl
3.oakland
4.memphis
5.cleveland
6.baltimore
7.cincinnati
8.kc
9.philla
10.atl

[Cincy-Rise]

^ Your link shows Cincinnati at #16 ... not sure what I am supposed to see there?


Murders for 2007:
Cincinnati - 66
Columbus - 79
Cleveland - 134
St. Louis - 137


Per 100,000:
Cincinnati - 20
Cleveland - 33
St. Louis - 36 (?)
Columbus - doesn't even matter, the city is 240 sq. mi.


Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cincinnati saw decreases in crime last year. Cleveland saw an increase.


Btw, you are right about that trend!

Cincinnati -

Homicide Totals
2005: 79
2006: 85
2007: 55 (thru October '07)

Rape Totals
2005: 386
2006: 344
2007: 264 (thru October '07)

Robbery Totals
2005: 2,291
2006: 2,329
2007: 1,644 (thru October '07)

Aggravated Assault Totals
2005: 1,276
2006: 1,151
2007: 939 (thru October '07)

Burglary Totals
2005: 5,427
2006: 5,980
2007: 5,139 (thru October '07)

Larceny Totals
2005: 14,445
2006: 13,922
2007: 10,655 (thru October '07)

Auto Theft Totals
2005: 3,341
2006: 3,038
2007: 2,062 (thru October '07)

City of Cincinnati -Statistics (http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/pages/-4258-/ - broken link)

[1watertiger]

it makes me laugh when people from cinci keep saying how their metro is bigger than clevelands. the only reason is akron/suburbs are excluded from msa and only included in csa rankings. (drive around N.E.ohio and then tell me what you think) .when i fly into cleveland at night it is much larger and easy to see the differances of all the cities.cinci is smaller period. but im sure someone fom cinci will try to explain how they keep half the lights out at night which makes them "appear" smaller.