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It's already been said that a sign saying "No Turn on Red" means you cannot turn right (sometimes there are hours listed, such as school hours near a school). Otherwise, you can turn. No confusion.
Actually, the handbook includes the adjective "circular" when describing the red light in that circumstance (Page 85), which is partly what's causing confusion when talking about an arrow. The section on red arrows does not address right turns on them, either allowing or disallowing them.
But the Crosstown Traffic piece I linked to seems to explain it pretty well.
Typical "native".. thanks for the education! Some would say that following the lead of proven systems would help those who aren't there yet. IMO.. But, thanks again.. always refreshing!
Seems like folks here treat "No turn on Red", "Right turn after stop on red" and stop signs as suggestions. I don't think it's a question of if I get hit, I think it's a matter of when.
Here's the one that confuses me: right turn when there's a yield sign and a red light. Is it stop, yield then turn? That's how I treat it (with rude consequences).
Seems like folks here treat "No turn on Red", "Right turn after stop on red" and stop signs as suggestions. I don't think it's a question of if I get hit, I think it's a matter of when.
Here's the one that confuses me: right turn when there's a yield sign and a red light. Is it stop, yield then turn? That's how I treat it (with rude consequences).
Is there a small island between the straight and right turn lanes ? At certain intersections (i.e. some highway on-ramps) you don't have to stop, but only yield, as you can effectively "turn" before reaching the stop line for the traffic light.
Typical "native".. thanks for the education! Some would say that following the lead of proven systems would help those who aren't there yet. IMO.. But, thanks again.. always refreshing!
And I could have called you a "typical transplant" by saying NC "[isn't] there yet" just because we don't do things the way you did "back home"...but I didn't .
The "you can turn Right on Red unless there is a sign saying otherwise" rule goes back to at least the 1970s because I specifically remember when it went into affect. How "proven a system" do you want?
But by all means, feel free to write to the Dept of Transportation and suggest your "superior methods" and how we "aren't there yet" according to where you come from. I'm sure they will love the advice!
Actually...I did some research into this last week because there seemed to be so much confusion on the topic...turns out that most states have laws that either explicitly allow or disallow right turns on red arrows...NC is one of the states that does not mention right turn on red arrows in its statutes...to add to the confusion, it is also not mentioned in the drivers handbook provided to new arrivals to the state.
However...there is a DOT regulation that permits right turns on red arrows: CHAPTER 4A
And I could have called you a "typical transplant" by saying NC "[isn't] there yet" just because we don't do things the way you did "back home"...but I didn't .
The "you can turn Right on Red unless there is a sign saying otherwise" rule goes back to at least the 1970s because I specifically remember when it went into affect. How "proven a system" do you want?
But by all means, feel free to write to the Dept of Transportation and suggest your "superior methods" and how we "aren't there yet" according to where you come from. I'm sure they will love the advice!
Yes. I can understand the confusion because the laws vary by state but I don't understand why NC residents aren't believed when explaining the rules here.
Plain and simple. You can turn on red unless there is a sign saying otherwise, You must make a complete stop first! I learned this when I took driver's education (as a full course in high school). All the people making turns on red are NOT doing anything illegal.
This thread, like the one it references is chock full of bad information that will sooner or later get someone a ticket; or worse an accident.
For a circular red light, you can make a right turn after coming to a stop as long as there is no sign saying otherwise.
For a red arrow light, you must stop and wait for green unless there is a sign saying otherwise.
4.2 No Right Turn on Red NCGS Authority: §20-158(b)(2a) NCAC Authority: N/A TEPPL Reference: N/A Ordinance Required: Yes Ordinance Type: 4 Overlap Restriction: None Typical Signs: R10-11, R10-11a Other Signs: R10-11b, R10-17a Guidance: No vehicle shall make a right turn at a "red circular light" if the movement is prohibited by an appropriate sign (§20-158, b, 2a). No vehicle shall make a right turn at a red arrow unless the movement is allowed by an appropriate sign (MUTCD Sections 4D.04 and 4D.05).
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Law changed in 2012
