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Old 06-05-2018, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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There is really not much of relationship between population and skylines. I know Raleigh gets a bad wrap for its skyline but compared to Greensboro or Durham it's a great skyline.

Look at Virginia Beach. It has a population larger than Raleigh and Greensboro's skyline is better than Virginia Beach.

 
Old 06-06-2018, 06:21 AM
 
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There is really not much of relationship between population and skylines. I know Raleigh gets a bad wrap for its skyline but compared to Greensboro or Durham it's a great skyline.

Look at Virginia Beach. It has a population larger than Raleigh and Greensboro's skyline is better than Virginia Beach.
Not sure if serious, Virginia Beach has two skylines....Look at image 2 on the attached link...

Neptune Festival’s Boardwalk Weekend returns to Virginia Beach Oceanfront | WTKR.com

And at the Town Center is the tallest building in Virginia at 38 stories, much bigger than anything in Greensboro. The Armada Hofler building nearby is 23 stories.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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Not sure if serious, Virginia Beach has two skylines....Look at image 2 on the attached link...

Neptune Festival’s Boardwalk Weekend returns to Virginia Beach Oceanfront | WTKR.com

And at the Town Center is the tallest building in Virginia at 38 stories, much bigger than anything in Greensboro. The Armada Hofler building nearby is 23 stories.
Unfortunately, Raleigh has two skylines now, Downtown Raleigh and Kane-dyland (Midtown) with Midtown receiving a new 32 story tower that will just be smaller than the tallest building in Raleigh, the PNC Plaza.

However the good news that from what I can see the N&O site in downtown has be fully abandoned and ready for demolition. So we should eventually heard news about Raleigh's next biggest project whether it's the tallest or not.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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There is really not much of relationship between population and skylines. I know Raleigh gets a bad wrap for its skyline but compared to Greensboro or Durham it's a great skyline.

Look at Virginia Beach. It has a population larger than Raleigh and Greensboro's skyline is better than Virginia Beach.
Again, city population numbers just don't tell the whole story. Though not always the best option either, usually the metro numbers make more sense. For a 700k metro, Greensboro's skyline isn't bad. Compared to other 1.2-1.5m metros Raleighs skyline has the height just maybe lacks a few buildings in totality. But by 2020 or so that should pretty much catch up, not to mention the second skyline of North Hills.

Keeping to the NC development theme i would say in actuality most of the NC cities have a skyline that makes sense and are growing appropriately for each city's needs.

Durham is a metro of 500k-600k and is neighbor to a larger city and larger employment center in RTP. In a few years you might be able to argue that it's skyline is overachieving. Winston had a bigger then usual skyline for a city it's size for a long time so it makes sense that things are kind of idle as far as that goes right now. Gboro is adding appropriate sized projects to solidify it's skyline. Raleigh doing the same. And Charlotte just flat out over acheives for a city in its bracket. The banks and huge companies like Duke push that skyline into something usually unrealistic for a sub 3 million metro.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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Again, city population numbers just don't tell the whole story. Though not always the best option either, usually the metro numbers make more sense. For a 700k metro, Greensboro's skyline isn't bad. Compared to other 1.2-1.5m metros Raleighs skyline has the height just maybe lacks a few buildings in totality. But by 2020 or so that should pretty much catch up, not to mention the second skyline of North Hills.

Keeping to the NC development theme i would say in actuality most of the NC cities have a skyline that makes sense and are growing appropriately for each city's needs.

Durham is a metro of 500k-600k and is neighbor to a larger city and larger employment center in RTP. In a few years you might be able to argue that it's skyline is overachieving. Winston had a bigger then usual skyline for a city it's size for a long time so it makes sense that things are kind of idle as far as that goes right now. Gboro is adding appropriate sized projects to solidify it's skyline. Raleigh doing the same. And Charlotte just flat out over acheives for a city in its bracket. The banks and huge companies like Duke push that skyline into something usually unrealistic for a sub 3 million metro.
If you really look at the numbers, maybe city populations DO tell the story...

Raleigh's city population is about 450K. Charlotte's is about 850K. Greensboro/Durham is about 280K

Downtown's are representative of the actual city, not necessarily the region as a whole. Lots of folks are using metro numbers and saying they are city numbers. Just because there are 180K people in Cary, that doesnt translate to tall buildings in downtown Raleigh. Not sure why that's a tough concept for some to understand. Just like Chapel Hill's population has little to no affect on downtown Durham. They are cities in their own right, with their own downtown's.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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$200 million mixed use project The Avenue in Wilmington was approved last night...

Wilmington City Council votes in favor of The Avenue - WECT TV6-WECT.com:News, weather & sports Wilmington, NC

Bringing with it a Westin hotel and over 500 residences. This is another project along the Military Cut-off corridor ( think Mayfaire Town Center) between Market St and Eastwood Rd that will be built. Other projects include the Arboretum Village and Arboretum West residential and mixed use projects as well as the $250 million Centerpoint Mixed Use project.

Intersection improvements on the road will be built near the development. Intersection improvements are also scheduled for 2024 for the Eastwood overpass...

Local transportation projects moving forward - Lumina News

And on the northern end of Military Cutoff, they are currently extending the road to I-140 and will eventually connect to the Hampstead bypass...

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US17H...ing_Map_01.pdf

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US17H...ing_Map_02.pdf

That $95 million road is scheduled to be complete by early 2022.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Cranes in south end of uptown Charlotte. 6 cranes.




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Old 06-06-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If you really look at the numbers, maybe city populations DO tell the story...

Raleigh's city population is about 450K. Charlotte's is about 850K. Greensboro/Durham is about 280K

Downtown's are representative of the actual city, not necessarily the region as a whole. Lots of folks are using metro numbers and saying they are city numbers. Just because there are 180K people in Cary, that doesnt translate to tall buildings in downtown Raleigh. Not sure why that's a tough concept for some to understand. Just like Chapel Hill's population has little to no affect on downtown Durham. They are cities in their own right, with their own downtown's.
Well for the NC cities their city populations basically correlate with their metro and thus the size of their downtown so that's kind of my point. Raleigh is almost double the size of durham/Winston/Gboro in both city and metro. And besides Winston because of its impressive skyline for its size, Raleigh skyline basically reflects being roughly twice the size. Charlotte is double the size of Raleigh in city and metro population. And the skyline goes without saying.

But in general looking at a citys metro will give you a better idea of what to expect from its core downtown. Otherwise someone visiting Miami or Atlanta for the first time might expect to see a downtown similiar to Raleigh in size lol or vice versa.

I disagree with other cities population within a larger metro not affecting the size of the main cities core. That core is likely a major employment center. That's why that city became the center of its metro in the first place. Fuquay-Varina has its own cute little downtown. But it's population is growing because of its proximity to Raleigh. Fuquay is apart of Raleigh's metro, not the other way around

The larger the metro the larger the main core is going to be. I can't think of an example in which that's not the case. But there are a lot of examples of big city populations, small metros, and also relatively smaller downtowns.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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$200 million mixed use project The Avenue in Wilmington was approved last night...

Wilmington City Council votes in favor of The Avenue - WECT TV6-WECT.com:News, weather & sports Wilmington, NC

Bringing with it a Westin hotel and over 500 residences. This is another project along the Military Cut-off corridor ( think Mayfaire Town Center) between Market St and Eastwood Rd that will be built. Other projects include the Arboretum Village and Arboretum West residential and mixed use projects as well as the $250 million Centerpoint Mixed Use project.

Intersection improvements on the road will be built near the development. Intersection improvements are also scheduled for 2024 for the Eastwood overpass...

Local transportation projects moving forward - Lumina News

And on the northern end of Military Cutoff, they are currently extending the road to I-140 and will eventually connect to the Hampstead bypass...

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US17H...ing_Map_01.pdf

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US17H...ing_Map_02.pdf

That $95 million road is scheduled to be complete by early 2022.
Dang that's nice. One heck of a project
 
Old 06-06-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Some of the stonewall action. Photo from Skytracker.


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