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Interesting to see those who believe "yuppies" are not "real" NYers when in fact they have existed in this town since the industrial revolution.
One myth i see tossed around quite a bit is the notion that they are predominantly non-natives. I'm sure a significant portion of them hail from middle-upper class parents in Manhattan and Queens.
They are every bit as real and as intregal a part of the workings of this town as any group.
Hipsters on the other hand could all disapear and the City not skip a beat. They really contribute nothing.
The sailent yet oft untold truth is that when NY started to burn in the late 60s'/Early 70s', it was the "Yuppies" who stuck around in the choas while so many so-called "Real NYers" decamped to LI/Jersey.
The sailent yet oft untold truth is that when NY started to burn in the late 60s'/Early 70s', it was the "Yuppies" who stuck around in the choas while so many so-called "Real NYers" decamped to LI/Jersey.
Oh stop it with the revisionist history. It was only the ethnic working and middle class neighborhoods that burned as those residents were targeted for removal with housing projects, blockbusting and a one way ticket out of the ethnic neighborhood with a cheap mortgage out in Long Island.
The yuppies on the Upper East, Upper West side and western Brooklyn were protected from the carnage as the housing projects and blockbusting did not go down in their neighborhoods.
I find it incredibly funny that people here are bad mouthing hipsters.The whole ideal of being a hipster is that you do not confine to any subculture or group.
Also,hipsters tend to be intellectuals in many fields.What I do like about hipsters is they are leftist liberal by nature and that is the ethos of present day NYC and an aspiration for everyone who is not.
My main problem with Yuppies and Preps to an extent is how "uneducated" they seem.Yeah,so for the real world you are a beacon of shine what with your yale degrees and prada suits but most are intellectually empty.Furthermore they tend to be conservative and follow the ethos of rightist mindset-subconsciously even.
When did the yuppie flourish?The 80s.....reagan era conservatism!
The hipsters are a product of the clinton era midnset.
I mean the whole idea of being a preppie is to be proud of your ancestry!
This is where hipster beats every other sub-culture because it is about the INDIVIDUAL
Blue ribbon and rimmed glasses are stereotypes.
YUPPIE-WALL STREET
HIPSTER-DESPERATELY SEEKING SUSAN
Overall though,I love how everyone seems to steriotype everyone else-This is what life is isnt it?
Now,If only you could make a hipster and a yuppie live in an enclosed room for a year and have a truman show kind of reality TV made for us!
Oh stop it with the revisionist history. It was only the ethnic working and middle class neighborhoods that burned as those residents were targeted for removal with housing projects, blockbusting and a one way ticket out of the ethnic neighborhood with a cheap mortgage out in Long Island.
The yuppies on the Upper East, Upper West side and western Brooklyn were protected from the carnage as the housing projects and blockbusting did not go down in their neighborhoods.
UWS was pretty much a slum during the 1940s and 1950s. Same with much of Downtown Brooklyn and Williamsburg. While what you said is somewhat true, much of what made blockbusting so lucrative was the deep and virulent racism of those said ethnic neighborhoods. Rather than try to make it work out so as to maintain cultural harmony, most whites ran screaming to the suburbs (some do to this day).
While not always the friendliest nor well liked demographic, the yuppies did manage to bring Manhattan out of the dark ages and largley provided the last real tax base while the old school hoods burned.
Just curious, since those 2 words are used so often on this board. I don't know if I'd be considered one of them. I don't want to be hated in the city lol
Hipster to me are Bohemian types, like we used to see in the Village back in the days. They are the new generation of hippies, with a more modern/cool edge.
Feel free to edit since these are just my observations.
Hipster = Modern day hippie but with financial aspirations = Any safe, trendy neighborhood not yet taken over by yuppies.
Preppie = Offspring of a yuppie (the original '70s-'80s preppies). Has family money/yuppie in training. = UES, LES, Tribeca, Greenwich Village.
Yuppie = Grown up preppie = UWS, Park Slope, Battery Park City, suburbs ("good schools" matter)
Buppie = Black yuppie = An upper-middle class black professional with a well-paid professional job and an affluent lifestyle = Singles spread around the city (Clinton Hill, Fort Greene, Harlem, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens) Families in affluent suburbs or moved to the southeast.
DINKs = Dual income, no kids = bf/gf combos, gay couples, married couples = (not sure about where these folks tend to live) = UWS, Park Slope, Jackson Heights, Greenwich Village, Harlem???
Bridge and Tunnel = usually decent, hard-working middle class native NYers, living in non-trendy, outer-borough neighborhoods that have racial constructs based on discriminatory housing policies of the 1960s. Also in suburban neighborhoods that absorbed "white flight" during the same period. Typically cannot afford hot urban neighborhoods or elite suburbs, work locally or commute into Manhattan for work and to trendy neighborhoods for social reasons = NJ, LI, Staten Island, Bronx, SE & South Central Queens, southern/eastern Brooklyn.
The 'Hood = Urban areas with high concentrations of poverty and lower working class or non-working residents. Blighted by corruption, crime and housing policies of the 1960s, and to some degree by hip-hop culture. High concentration of public housing. Interestingly, due to low cost of entry, some 'hoods are being gentrified by hipsters, who wouldn't move to "bridge & tunnel" neighborhoods, even if costs are equal and it's safer.
hipster: those who were into the 60's counterculture. why do i say this? I was reading a book about the Beatles and how many Beatle fans and rock critics did not like Paul McCartney's first 4 solo albums because they too lightweight. But when Band On The Run came out in 1973, according to this book "the aging hipsters said 'McCartney is back'".
yuppie: young urban preppie type, well dressed, has a good job, maybe kind of jockish, clean cut, good natured, the kind of persona exemplified by Huey Lewis and The News' lyrics from the 80's
Feel free to edit since these are just my observations.
Hipster = Modern day hippie but with financial aspirations = Any safe, trendy neighborhood not yet taken over by yuppies.
Preppie = Offspring of a yuppie (the original '70s-'80s preppies). Has family money/yuppie in training. = UES, LES, Tribeca, Greenwich Village.
Yuppie = Grown up preppie = UWS, Park Slope, Battery Park City, suburbs ("good schools" matter)
Buppie = Black yuppie = An upper-middle class black professional with a well-paid professional job and an affluent lifestyle = Singles spread around the city (Clinton Hill, Fort Greene, Harlem, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens) Families in affluent suburbs or moved to the southeast.
DINKs = Dual income, no kids = bf/gf combos, gay couples, married couples = (not sure about where these folks tend to live) = UWS, Park Slope, Jackson Heights, Greenwich Village, Harlem???
Bridge and Tunnel = usually decent, hard-working middle class native NYers, living in non-trendy, outer-borough neighborhoods that have racial constructs based on discriminatory housing policies of the 1960s. Also in suburban neighborhoods that absorbed "white flight" during the same period. Typically cannot afford hot urban neighborhoods or elite suburbs, work locally or commute into Manhattan for work and to trendy neighborhoods for social reasons = NJ, LI, Staten Island, Bronx, SE & South Central Queens, southern/eastern Brooklyn.
The 'Hood = Urban areas with high concentrations of poverty and lower working class or non-working residents. Blighted by corruption, crime and housing policies of the 1960s, and to some degree by hip-hop culture. High concentration of public housing. Interestingly, due to low cost of entry, some 'hoods are being gentrified by hipsters, who wouldn't move to "bridge & tunnel" neighborhoods, even if costs are equal and it's safer.
One more ...
Nerds = Highly intelligent, non-conformists often socially rejected because of their obsession with subjects that are too complicated for most people to be bothered. Today, people that would be considered nerds or outcasts elsewhere have carved out their own niche in NYC, and have evolved to have a higher social standing. I see certain parallels between nerds and hipsters because they're both off doing their own thing are on the cutting edge. = LIC, Williamsburg, Bushwick, Mott Haven.
Your grown up nerds left NYC long ago for the Silicon Valley and the Pacific Northwest, and made their fortunes. Now they're relaxing, saying, "how u like me now???"
I don't see today's nerds/hipsters hanging around NYC as the get older and have families. Time will tell, though.
Hipsters are the larval form of yuppies. In this adolescent form they are yuppie ground troops that bum-rush a neighborhood and prepare it for gentrification. The Hipster's primary purpose is to raise rents, encourage native populations to emigrate and prep neighborhoods to be fully yuppified. The local HQ is Williamsburg Brooklyn and all operations are coordinated from there.
At thirty to thirty five hipsters do a complete transformation from Hipster to full fledged yuppie. Sort of like a caterpillar morphing into a butterfly. They lose the tight jeans, ironic T-Shirts and asymmetrical haircuts and trade them in for Barneys New York corporate outfits. The anti-establishment hipster ethos does a complete transformation into an entirely corporate persona complete with an investment portfolio and large foreign made SUV.
^^^
Nah, the neighborhood transformations we're seeing now were on someone's drawing board when the hipsters were in kindergarten. They just happened to be the right age at the right time and now able to take advantage of what has been planned for the past 25 years.
The winners in this game are the real estate developers who got in and out before the recession.
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