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If you believe the 2nd ave subway line will ever get finished buying on the far east side could be a good idea. They really should have kept the 3rd and 2nd ave El's.
If you believe the 2nd ave subway line will ever get finished buying on the far east side could be a good idea. They really should have kept the 3rd and 2nd ave El's.
They didn't keep the 9th and 6th Avenue els. They were replaced by the 8th and 6th Avenue subways. The city should have simply built the Second Avenue Subway decades ago, but when Robert Moses came to power he used much of the federal money coming into New York to build highways and housing projects.
They didn't keep the 9th and 6th Avenue els. They were replaced by the 8th and 6th Avenue subways. The city should have simply built the Second Avenue Subway decades ago, but when Robert Moses came to power he used much of the federal money coming into New York to build highways and housing projects.
Actually the long sad saga of the SAS is more complicated than just Robert Moses.
Project was slowed down by funding problems and local protests including IIRC legal action. Live on the UES and know persons both here an in Yorkville who were around during the period. There was a certain element of the population that felt having a subway on Second Avenue would allow easier access for criminal and other unwanted elements to invade. The German Town, Hungarian Town and others simply wanted to keep the "place time forgot" feel. They didn't want the density and more commercial feel of the UWS which largely came as a result of easy subway access via two lines.
Never the less parts of the system were built before the scheme ran out of money and the City went into fiscal crisis of the 1970's. If you travel down Second Avenue from 86th Street to 57th Street you notice certain portions are wider than others, especially around 82nd to 79th Street. Those areas are where the completed but abandoned portions of the SAS were located. It is why during current construction those areas didn't have to be dug up or tunneled.
Yes, funding was diverted from the SAS for other NYC Transit problems, but what choice did the City have? We were broke and if you were around you'll remember how awful the subway and buses were in the 1970's.
Not a matter of desirability, just a matter of taste.
I haven't heard it come up lately, so I don't know if it's still regarded like this, but westsiders used to say that the eastside was sterile, and eastsiders used to say that the westside was scruffy.
The rental deals on the UES are not "East of First Ave" but rather between First and Second where there is a huge abundance of 5 story walk-ups with railroad apartments.
"East of First" gets pretty snazzy in places.
The rental deals on the UES are not "East of First Ave" but rather between First and Second where there is a huge abundance of 5 story walk-ups with railroad apartments.
"East of First" gets pretty snazzy in places.
Actually depending upon the block anywhere from Third Avenue going east you can find "affordable" rental housing. Yes, much of these apartments will be in tenement/walk up buildings of which again depending upon the block there are plenty still from Third through East End. Once you past 86th Street and go into the upper reaches of Yorkville you can start from Lexington and go east.
East End Avenue still has some tenement buildings left but doubt other than for those currently living there you are going to find anything "cheap" or affordable. Rather soon as the apartment is vacated it will be gutted, renovated and go for much more.
I don't think there are too many deals left in those. As they can get them emptied out, they're coming down and getting replaced. The only thing that's keep them intact for so long is that it's too hard to get rid of the regulated tenants.
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Originally Posted by Kefir King
The rental deals on the UES are not "East of First Ave" but rather between First and Second where there is a huge abundance of 5 story walk-ups with railroad apartments.
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