Boy Killed Crossing East Harlem Street (2013, attorney, live)
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Moderator's Note: The following initial posts were relocated from an unrelated thread about a different accident, and refer to the incident in East Harlem. This article from the NY Times serves as a reference for this accident: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/ny...oy-6.html?_r=0
I don't blame the crossing guard. The chance she would be on the same side of the street when that kid was hit was unlikely. The truck was not supposed to be on that street. I also blame the city for not implementing the traffic calming that should have existed at that very intersection. The location where that child was run over would have been a pedestrian refuge. Good job NIMBYs...
If anything positive can come about these events, how about a pledge for much more aggressive traffic calming.
I don't blame the crossing guard. The chance she would be on the same side of the street when that kid was hit was unlikely.
What? Do you anything about the process? Kids are crossing First Avenue, from the east side of the street to the west side. The guard stands on the east side, holds the children back, then proceeds into the street to ensure traffic stops, then gestures to the children to proceed, while holding up traffic, until the kids reach the far curb. Perhaps a few side-steps along with them. Reverse the process in the afternoon, when the kids are crossing in the opposite direction. It's not rocket science.
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Originally Posted by nykiddo718718
The truck was not supposed to be on that street.
I've seen this comment elsewhere, as well. However, not in any media report. Do you know where the truck was going, or coming from? If it had been making a delivery on the block where this occurred? While there are truck routes, they are permitted to divert to delivery locations.
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Originally Posted by nykiddo718718
I also blame the city for not implementing the traffic calming that should have existed at that very intersection.
Do you know the speed of the tractor-trailer, while it was turning? It could have been going less than 5 mph. There was also a helper in the passenger seat, who stated that he did not see the boy either.
What? Do you anything about the process? Kids are crossing First Avenue, from the east side of the street to the west side. The guard stands on the east side, holds the children back, then proceeds into the street to ensure traffic stops, then gestures to the children to proceed, while holding up traffic, until the kids reach the far curb. Perhaps a few side-steps along with them. Reverse the process in the afternoon, when the kids are crossing in the opposite direction. It's not rocket science.
I've seen this comment elsewhere, as well. However, not in any media report. Do you know where the truck was going, or coming from? If it had been making a delivery on the block where this occurred? While there are truck routes, they are permitted to divert to delivery locations.
Do you know the speed of the tractor-trailer, while it was turning? It could have been going less than 5 mph. There was also a helper in the passenger seat, who stated that he did not see the boy either.
The crossing guard was in the wrong for being away at the time but the trucker is the one who commit the act. There is a commercial vehicle restriction on side streets near primary thoroughfares (truck routes).
Also, what's more Important... Let's get more aggressive about traffic calming in NYC.
There is a commercial vehicle restriction on side streets near primary thoroughfares (truck routes).
Where was he coming from? Where was he going? While First Ave. & 116th St. are truck routes, he could use 117th if he was making a delivery on the block.
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Originally Posted by nykiddo718718
more Important... Let's get more aggressive about traffic calming in NYC.
So, if he was making the turn at, say, 4 mph, which is walking speed, you'd want him to do it at 3 mph? There's no evidence that he careened wildly around the corner, running down a child in front of him. Tractor trailers make wide turns. The child ran at the rear of the trailer. It's awful. It's tragic. But, had the crossing guard been there, doing her job, she would have been controlling the intersection, for both drivers and pedestrians.
Where was he coming from? Where was he going? While First Ave. & 116th St. are truck routes, he could use 117th if he was making a delivery on the block.
So, if he was making the turn at, say, 4 mph, which is walking speed, you'd want him to do it at 3 mph? There's no evidence that he careened wildly around the corner, running down a child in front of him. Tractor trailers make wide turns. The child ran at the rear of the trailer. It's awful. It's tragic. But, had the crossing guard been there, doing her job, she would have been controlling the intersection, for both drivers and pedestrians.
He wasn't making a delivery on that block, he was trying to get to 2n Ave. He should have been on E 116th.
My main problem with this story is the media concentration on the crossing guard. When in reality we should be focusing on traffic calming measures. There are way to minimize pedestrian deaths and the NIMBYs are killing people by opposing them. Let's make some changes instead of playing the blame game..
NYPD and Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance are reportedly targeting a crossing guard for her supposed role in the death of 6-year-old Amar Diarrassouba, who was killed by a truck driver in East Harlem Thursday morning. Meanwhile, a local businessman and community board member who waged a campaign against pedestrian refuges and protected bike lanes on First and Second Avenues has publicly pinned the blame on the victim’s 9-year-old brother.
Last edited by nykiddo718718; 03-06-2013 at 02:18 PM..
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