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what is "this type" of immigration? remember the italians, irish, etc were viewed the same way back in the late 1800's - early 1900's.
Yes, but I think what's meant by "this type" is the type of folks who aren't looking to assimilate into the fabric of the state/country. You've got thousands of hispanics who don't want to learn the language, and love to send all of their earnings back to their homelands rather than spending it on the US. You've got thousands of asians/indians who move into an area like Iselin, and set up their own little groups/industries/markets, without really melting into the rest of the population. It's not like "the old days" when people were thrilled to have made it to America and did everything they could to become active citizens and contribute to the country's wellbeing.
You've got thousands of asians/indians who move into an area like Iselin, and set up their own little groups/industries/markets, without really melting into the rest of the population. It's not like "the old days" when people were thrilled to have made it to America and did everything they could to become active citizens and contribute to the country's wellbeing.
Yeah, that's why you had Italian and Irish and Polish enclaves all over the tri-state region. Because they became 'Americans' as soon as they set foot. Give me a break, that's completely disingenuous.
Yes, but I think what's meant by "this type" is the type of folks who aren't looking to assimilate into the fabric of the state/country. You've got thousands of hispanics who don't want to learn the language, and love to send all of their earnings back to their homelands rather than spending it on the US. You've got thousands of asians/indians who move into an area like Iselin, and set up their own little groups/industries/markets, without really melting into the rest of the population. It's not like "the old days" when people were thrilled to have made it to America and did everything they could to become active citizens and contribute to the country's wellbeing.
That's EXACTLY what I mean. And it's one of the biggest reasons this state is going downhill.
To me its extremely sad that people are fleeing in droves. We know of the approx. 50 or so that post regularly on our state forum. Let me give you my perspective because I want to cry. My son who I am extremely, extremely proud of is graduating Princeton University next year. We were having our usual Christmas get together with all our family members. He informs us that he is going to move to the Denver area after he graduates for work and because of the cost of living. My wife has been crying since and it virtually turned a great Christmas into a rather somber one. I can suck it up and try to move on but my wife wants me to try to talk him out of it. Well that a personal issue but I just wanted to vent so be it. What I am saying is we are loosing our BRIGHTEST people because of these loser politicians who don't know how to conserve. My son is leaving BECAUSE OF THE COST OF LIVING. We just can't shrug are shoulders and say who cares taxes are part of life. Many, many posters are here saying the same thing it stinks. Now I have to find out how to email this same thread to the governors office.
JM, you never know what the future holds. I would devastated if my boys left "home" too, luckily I have awhile before I even need to think about it.
My brother did the same as your son, moved to Oregon for awhile, but eventually moved back for opportunity, etc. I think overall a child moving away is a good thing (even though it would kill me if it were MY kid! LOL), it's hard to appreciate what you have if you don't spread your wings a bit. It doesn't mean he's gone forever. He may move back, he may not - it's not a life sentence. If he decides to stay, well, you can take your fat pension and buy a place out there - RE is cheap!
I do feel for you though - I get short of breath even thinking about it with my kids.
Reading the paper and I was amazed that we actually gained people last year. But after I read further into it I was disturbed about the 69,160 who fled the state. If you do the math thats 190 people a day running for the hills. Incoming to New Jersey it was reported that 48,944 international immigrants have moved to New Jersey in the same year. With the number of births exceeding deaths, we gained a grand total of 19,845 people. 42 states grew faster than NJ and there were only 2 that seen a decrease in overall population that being Michigan and Rhode Island. Almost 70,000 people fleeing a year from our almighty state of NJ. Doesn't anyone read the Census stats but me? Wake up New Jersey we have to do something here!
Jersey Man - Wait until next year! NJ will join Michigan and Rhode Island on the list of states losing population. NJ does nothing to keep many of its residents from leaving. The Star Ledger had an interesting series of articles that I had found on its web site a few weeks back showing the states where the former residents of NJ were fleeing to, as well as those states migration figures to NJ. It was a real eye-opener! No one is going to move to NJ from most states because they can't afford to. If you sell your 2200 sq ft $250,000 house in a nice, middle class town in state "X" and have a salary of $60,000, what are you going to live in, in a similar town in NJ? A doghouse!
I took early retirement from the P.O. at 51 and discovered that NJ taxes my meager pension just like a salary. There are exemptions, but only if you're 65+. I will never get Social Security because I never paid into that! Why couldn't NJ treat my pension the same as SS! Adding insult to injury, I'm expected to shoulder the pension burden of all the cops and teachers that have a much better pension and pay a lot less than I do for my health benefits. NC doesn't tax federal pensions so it was a no-brainer to consider moving here. "NJ and Me - PuHfect Together as Tom Kean espoused", - I don't think so!
As all those other states grow and NJ stays the same or shrinks, it will lose its dwindling political clout on the national scene. When I was a kid, NJ had 17 electoral votes, by 2012 it will probably be down to 10. The newspaper down here in NC trumpeted the fact that NC had passed NJ in population in July 2006. NC would just love to grab NJ's pharmaceutical industry, it's already wooing them with tax breaks and lots of land and cheaper labor costs and don't forget that you owe $70 billion to the state employees pension system. Think your taxes are going to go down anytime soon? Think again!
I predict that in 30 years NJ will again be first again at something - the first state to declare bankruptcy!
what is "this type" of immigration? remember the italians, irish, etc were viewed the same way back in the late 1800's - early 1900's.
The majority of these people didn't live like pigs, with the sole intent of using this country like a condom, sucking all of the money, health insurance and benefits they can out of it, while cursing it to their countrymen and dreaming of the day they can take US dollars back to the country they still consider to be "home" and building a shack where a hole once stood, while sucking on cervezas and cursing they time they were forced to spend around those scumbag Americans.
Yes, but I think what's meant by "this type" is the type of folks who aren't looking to assimilate into the fabric of the state/country. You've got thousands of hispanics who don't want to learn the language, and love to send all of their earnings back to their homelands rather than spending it on the US. You've got thousands of asians/indians who move into an area like Iselin, and set up their own little groups/industries/markets, without really melting into the rest of the population. It's not like "the old days" when people were thrilled to have made it to America and did everything they could to become active citizens and contribute to the country's wellbeing.
that's simply not true overall. the immigrants in the old days were just as insular - only over (a long) time did the assimilation occur. how many times on this board alone have we seen posts like "what happened to all the italian neighborhoods?". i also knew of a TON of older italians who never learned the english language. in addition, didn't we just have a post where a person looking to emmigrate from ireland asked where other irish are? it's only natural for immigrants to want to be with their own when they first come over. only through subsequent generations living here does the "mix" happen.
disclaimer - i'm not "picking" on italians with my language comment or saying what they did was wrong, just my observations - i don't see the recent wave of (legal) immigrants being any different than the ones in the early 20th century - just different countries.
The majority of these people didn't live like pigs, with the sole intent of using this country like a condom, sucking all of the money, health insurance and benefits they can out of it, while cursing it to their countrymen and dreaming of the day they can take US dollars back to the country they still consider to be "home" and building a shack where a hole once stood, while sucking on cervezas and cursing they time they were forced to spend around those scumbag Americans.
Yeah, this is a great thing for New Jersey.
i seriously don't know what or who you're talking about. are you talking about legal or illegal?
The majority of these people didn't live like pigs, with the sole intent of using this country like a condom, sucking all of the money, health insurance and benefits they can out of it, while cursing it to their countrymen and dreaming of the day they can take US dollars back to the country they still consider to be "home" and building a shack where a hole once stood, while sucking on cervezas and cursing they time they were forced to spend around those scumbag Americans.
Yeah, this is a great thing for New Jersey.
Wow, U took the words out of my head . I had to give you rep points for that.
The majority of these people didn't live like pigs, with the sole intent of using this country like a condom, sucking all of the money, health insurance and benefits they can out of it, while cursing it to their countrymen and dreaming of the day they can take US dollars back to the country they still consider to be "home" and building a shack where a hole once stood, while sucking on cervezas and cursing they time they were forced to spend around those scumbag Americans.
Yeah, this is a great thing for New Jersey.
ROTFLMAO - A great post! But it's not just NJ. I imagine that you could go to the Home Depot in Casper Wyoming and find a spot with a few Corona bottles lying around along with the faint smell of urine.
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