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Old 06-27-2010, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I've always wondered how some songs that were popular in their time are now seen as sounding "dated" while other are upheld as "classic." What, in your opinion, is the criteria that should be used to distinguish between songs that will stand the test of time vs. songs that will be seen as representative of their time and nothing more than that?

To give you an example of what I mean, here's a song from the 1980's that I feel will stand the test of time due to its great songwriting and excellent instrument performances:


YouTube - Don't Stand So Close To Me - The Police

Here's another version of the same song that sounds incredibly dated due to overproduction that sticks it squarely in 1986:


YouTube - The Police - Don't Stand So Close To Me '86
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:35 PM
 
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To me classic is stuff that stood the test of time. While "dated" could refer to gimmicky genres of music (such as disco, hair metal, or nu metal) that were simply favors of the month and completely overblown during their time.
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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I agree.
I'd never consider limp bizkit "classic"
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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I don't think you can call it dated just because it was gimmicky.
There are both disco and glam metal that are still good today.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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I don't think you can call it dated just because it was gimmicky.
There are both disco and glam metal that are still good today.
as far as glam metal goes....


classic

YouTube - Whitesnake - Here I Go Again

dated


YouTube - Poison - Talk Dirty To Me (2001 Digital Remaster)
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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Prefect example, lukeo.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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Prefect example, lukeo.
I honestly can't tell why Whitesnake's song is "classic" while Poison's is "dated." What is qualitatively different between them?
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:59 PM
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IMO popular music has the image of the artist as part of its entertainment value. In Classical music a composition that sums of everything that was new and different for a era would be classic.
In pop music you realy have to consider the artist along with the song.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:00 PM
 
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It's hard to explain,but I feel like whitesnake is an overall better band,long to be remembered for their music,and this was a great song(and I like few 80s songs) that is memorable by many. poison has always felt to me like a joke. like they were the monkees of glam metal,all show no substance. poison were just more fad-ish to me. I think more people would remember rock of love than most of poison's songs.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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It's hard to explain,but I feel like whitesnake is an overall better band,long to be remembered for their music,and this was a great song(and I like few 80s songs) that is memorable by many. poison has always felt to me like a joke. like they were the monkees of glam metal,all show no substance. poison were just more fad-ish to me. I think more people would remember rock of love than most of poison's songs.
If anything, Poison and Whitesnake are remembered by the same amount of people. They are both still touring which I believe proves my point.

Whitesnake definitely has the edge in terms of experienced musicians and probably all around talent but I think equating Poison to The Monkees is going a bit far. I can see how you feel that they are fad-ish, they did come out in that 80s glam rock era where the dudes dressed up like chicks.

As far as the OP goes, I think a song could be a classic and sound dated at the same time. Plenty of songs from the 60s fit this pattern. Stuff like The End by The Doors is a good example. It just has the feel of a 60s song but it still a classic.
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