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Old 03-06-2021, 05:55 AM
 
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"instead", no...that's tantamount to book burning.
"too" is a better solution.

By the way, we'll have to throw out "Casablanca", too. It portrays Sam as a sort of servant.
"Casablanca" portrays Sam as a hired entertainer, not as "a sort of servant." You're getting absurd.

And you're still attempting to straw-man me. I've never said anything about "throwing out" anything.
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Old 03-06-2021, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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As I said: That makes such things valid objects of critical historical study.

From what you say, you did make them objects of critical historical study, rather than just letting your kids take whatever impressions they may have otherwise gathered
Very true! I think they can add another layer of understanding to many complex issues.
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Maine
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TCM is tackling this issue correctly: https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...matic-classics

Show the classics, warts and all, and address their problems. That's the way it ought to be done.
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Old 03-08-2021, 06:25 AM
 
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TCM is tackling this issue correctly: https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...matic-classics

Show the classics, warts and all, and address their problems. That's the way it ought to be done.
They are doing exactly what I said: Make such things valid objects of critical historical study.
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Old 03-08-2021, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Maine
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They are doing exactly what I said: Make such things valid objects of critical historical study.
Yup. Agreed.

We can love THE SEARCHERS for being the brilliant piece of cinema that it is, while still recognizing a lot of the ugliness it portrays.
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Old 03-09-2021, 08:31 AM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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Yup. Agreed.

We can love THE SEARCHERS for being the brilliant piece of cinema that it is, while still recognizing a lot of the ugliness it portrays.
One thing I remember about The Searchers (and it's been a long time since I've seen it) is the verbiage blurb at the beginning saying "Somewhere in west Texas..." and the opening scene is a towering, panoramic shot of Monument Valley Utah....

That and John Wayne was more pissed off than I'd ever seen him in a movie. More pissed off than he got in The Cowboys. And he got his ass shot off in The Cowboys.

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Old 03-09-2021, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Maine
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One thing I remember about The Searchers (and it's been a long time since I've seen it) is the verbiage blurb at the beginning saying "Somewhere in west Texas..." and the opening scene is a towering, panoramic shot of Monument Valley Utah....
Yup. One thing West Texas is: Flat. John Ford loved Utah though.

He's not alone. There is a scene in Rainman where Tom Cruise is on a pay phone and says he is "near Tucumcari." The area in the scene looks NOTHING like Tucumcari.


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That and John Wayne was more pissed off than I'd ever seen him in a movie. More pissed off than he got in The Cowboys. And he got his ass shot off in The Cowboys.
Yup. THE SEARCHERS is one of the few times John Wayne played an outright unlikeable character. He often did irascible. But Ethan Edwards is really hard to like at all.
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Old 03-09-2021, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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TCM is tackling this issue correctly: https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...matic-classics

Show the classics, warts and all, and address their problems. That's the way it ought to be done.
Yes, but, let me ask you this question.

Let's take GWTW...how many people that turn into to watch GWTW are going to watch the pre- and post- discussions?
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Old 03-09-2021, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Yes, but, let me ask you this question.

Let's take GWTW...how many people that turn into to watch GWTW are going to watch the pre- and post- discussions?
Honestly, I don't much care. Neither I nor anyone else needs to be anyone's nanny. The info is there if someone wants it. If they don't, it's no skin off my nose.
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Old 03-09-2021, 02:38 PM
 
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Yes, but, let me ask you this question.

Let's take GWTW...how many people that turn into to watch GWTW are going to watch the pre- and post- discussions?
As popular as "reaction" videos are on YouTube...there might be quite a few young people who will.
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