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You actually watch some real film noirs (Double Indemnity, The Postman Always Rings Twice, DOA, The Maltese Falcon) and read up some books and essays written by film experts and critics rather than base your knowledge you "found" on a poorly researched fake encyclopedia riddled with countless errors and misinformation.
It's neo noir. I know all about noir. I don't know why you want to argue. I didn't invent a genre.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone. When I see people post misinformation, I correct it and I post links for everyone to read to counter the misinformation. That's all. Calling the Usual Suspects "neo noir" or any other type of noir is misinformation.
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I'm not trying to argue with anyone. When I see people post misinformation, I correct it and I post links for everyone to read to counter the misinformation. That's all. Calling the Usual Suspects "neo noir" or any other type of noir is misinformation.
It's not iron-clad, but if you google "'Usual Suspects" neo noir" you get an awful lot of results, some even academic:
Oh really, do I have that much disdain? Well some of my favorite movies of all time are The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, For A Few Dollars More, The Skin I Live In, The Truman Show, Slumdog Millionaire, 12 Angry Men, Malcolm X, Schindler's List, The Battle of Algiers, Cell 211, Metropolis, M, Terminator 1 & 2...
OMG - what's so great about Schindler's List?!
Spoiler
Just kidding.
But yeah...sometimes you pick middling movies that really aren't that great with the assumption EVERYONE thinks it is and that you hope to deflate them and show them the truth. Seems disingenuous. Other times you do pick pretty good movies to play "what's so great about..." and no one's gonna change their mind.
A lot of people love it and consider it a classic, but I don't see what the big deal is. My friends like it too and I asked them but they said they just really like it. But what's make it such a classic, since I myself feel it's just a very average, or even below average thriller pretty much, and not not sure where all the awe for the film is coming from.
What do you think?
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I agree with you. It's a very over-rated gimmick movie. Really good actors doing some really good acting in a silly script.
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Same here, I never cared for the movie and it could be one of the more overrated movies of all time (based on viewer adulation).
Well those are just my opinions on those movies, and perhaps I have unusual taste. As for not going to voice mail not everyone has voice mail. For example, I don't have voice mail since everyone texts anyway, and my phone just keeps ringing, if someone calls, cause there is no voice mail. Why is that so hard to believe.
While I do agree that many people would prefer a text message to a voicemail (myself included), dentists and doctors offices and others like to leave you voicemail appointment reminders, and doctors call you with lab results sometimes. The doctors usually call from a number you cannot call back so it's really annoying to miss their message. Maybe you're too young to have ever cared about this, but you'll want voicemail someday sooner than you may think.
I graduated high school the year Usual Suspects came out. I remember everybody in college was gaga over Pulp Fiction and Usual Suspects. The posters, the movie quotes. When I finally got around to seeing Usual Suspects (probably on VHS), I thought it was totally overrated. This may be partly because I always found Kevin Spacey too smug for words.
While I do agree that many people would prefer a text message to a voicemail (myself included), dentists and doctors offices and others like to leave you voicemail appointment reminders, and doctors call you with lab results sometimes. The doctors usually call from a number you cannot call back so it's really annoying to miss their message. Maybe you're too young to have ever cared about this, but you'll want voicemail someday sooner than you may think.
I graduated high school the year Usual Suspects came out. I remember everybody in college was gaga over Pulp Fiction and Usual Suspects. The posters, the movie quotes. When I finally got around to seeing Usual Suspects (probably on VHS), I thought it was totally overrated. This may be partly because I always found Kevin Spacey too smug for words.
Also when you hear so much hype for so long nothing can live up to it. Many people who watch Breaking Bad after too long are like ok, it's good, but the way everyone was talking about it? eh.
For example, in the very first blog, the blogger calls Francois Truffaut's Breathless "neo noir:"
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Neo-noir must then begin some time after 1958, but there is much debate about which is the first American film that should be classified as such. Internationally, the first neo-noir film would have to be Jean-Luc Godard’s A bout de souffle (1960)
But it's not neo-noir. It's French New Wave. In fact, that is what the movie is most famous for. It's famous for being the definitive New Wave movie.
The rest of the blog entry makes the mistake of thinking that just because a movie has some elements of some other genre, it must be that genre. Every movie from the 1990s has a few scenes of chiaroscuro lighting like film noir did, because movies were heavily influenced by Silence of the Lambs, which brought that technique back. But that didn't make those movies "noir" or "neo noir."
And the reason why you were able to pull up multiple search entries that say that The Usual Suspects is a neo noir is the same reason why you'll find multiple entries incorrectly stating that goldfish swallowing was a "Roaring 20s" phenomenon or some other egregious error. In the end, on the internet, all roads point to Wikipedia. If Wikipedia posts misinformation, multiple websites will just incorporate its misinformation all over the place and then proceed to create entire entries with pseudo information. But Wikipedia is not the Bible of information and never was.
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