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There is no way they can do an exact film version of the original Dark Phoenix saga. Nor should they. It would make a terrible movie.
You don't know that.
But they can't do an exact version of it, anyway. You would need the Shi'ar, the Kree, and the Skrulls, and the Hellfire Club, and every single X-Men in the team under the Claremont-Byrne banner. And then it has to end on the Moon. To adapt it properly would take more than one movie.
And now that they're doing it again, there won't ever be a third go.
But they can't do an exact version of it, anyway. You would need the Shi'ar, the Kree, and the Skrulls, and the Hellfire Club, and every single X-Men in the team under the Claremont-Byrne banner. And then it has to end on the Moon. To adapt it properly would take more than one movie.
And now that they're doing it again, there won't ever be a third go.
This is rushed. The characters were just introduced. They defeated Apocalypse (Uhhh ) and the 4 Horsemen and now they are going to battle the Phoenix. It looks like she kills Mystique (THANK GOD!) in the trailer.
The Xmen should have been done slowly like the MCU; Avengers 1,2,3, 4 with solo and team movies.
This is rushed. The characters were just introduced. They defeated Apocalypse (Uhhh ) and the 4 Horsemen and now they are going to battle the Phoenix. It looks like she kills Mystique (THANK GOD!) in the trailer.
The Xmen should have been done slowly like the MCU; Avengers 1,2,3, 4 with solo and team movies.
Rushed? These last few X-films have all taken place in a different decade: First Class = 1960s; Days of Future Past = '70s; Apocalypse = '80s; Dark Phoenix = '90s.
The characters were just introduced? Not Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, and Havok. They've been around since First Class. This will be the third movie with Quicksilver.
We got new characters in Apocalypse, yes, but that's like complaining about Captain Marvel showing up in her own movie and then having a pivotal role not two months later in Endgame. Not to mention Civil War shoehorned Spider-Man into a movie that was already full of characters and was introducing Black Panther (before his solo) to the MCU — in an event that was already being promoted as a major slap-fight between Captain America and Iron Man.
Rushed? These last few X-films have all taken place in a different decade: First Class = 1960s; Days of Future Past = '70s; Apocalypse = '80s; Dark Phoenix = '90s.
The characters were just introduced? Not Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, and Havok. They've been around since First Class. This will be the third movie with Quicksilver.
We got new characters in Apocalypse, yes, but that's like complaining about Captain Marvel showing up in her own movie and then having a pivotal role not two months later in Endgame. Not to mention Civil War shoehorned Spider-Man into a movie that was already full of characters and was introducing Black Panther (before his solo) to the MCU — in an event that was already being promoted as a major slap-fight between Captain America and Iron Man.
The MCU hasn't done anything "slowly."
The last 3 films in comparison to the last 18 films to set-up the fight with Thanos.
Apocalypse is the most powerful villain for the X-Men. They didn't even have a proper team to defeat him nor introduced his back-story properly. Cyclops, Jean, and Storm were all green.
Mystique should NOT be a lead in the X-Men. They should have made Jennifer Lawrence - Jean if they wanted her fanbase.
It took 18 movies for them to finally fight Thanos. The Apocalypse and Phoenix Saga are strong story archs and they should have taken time to set them up properly.
Captain Marvel was briefly introduced in the last moments of Infinity War. She will have her intro movie and then a pivotal role in Avengers End Game. So 3 films. I hope once Marvel gets full control of X-Men, FF4 they will use them more wisely than Fox studios.
Also, the guy that they hired to play Cyclops was a bad call. He is shorter than Jean. Cyclops should be 6'0 to 6'2.
1 Phase One
1.1 Iron Man (2008)
1.2 The Incredible Hulk (2008)
1.3 Iron Man 2 (2010)
1.4 Thor (2011)
1.5 Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
1.6 Marvel's The Avengers (2012) 2 Phase Two
2.1 Iron Man 3 (2013)
2.2 Thor: The Dark World (2013)
2.3 Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
2.4 Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
2.5 Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
2.6 Ant-Man (2015) 3 Phase Three
3.1 Captain America: Civil War (2016)
3.2 Doctor Strange (2016)
3.3 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
3.4 Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
3.5 Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
3.6 Black Panther (2018)
3.7 Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
3.8 Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018)
3.9 Captain Marvel (2019)
The last 3 films in comparison to the last 18 films to set-up the fight with Thanos.
Those 18 films are sequential, with the exception of The First Avenger. If you don't have a problem with the characters doing things between movies, things we don't get to see, then the decade-specific time settings of the X-franchise shouldn't be a big deal.
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Apocalypse is the most powerful villain for the X-Men. They didn't even have a proper team to defeat him nor introduced his back-story properly. Cyclops, Jean, and Storm were all green.
Oh, it's not a good movie. It has some nice moments, but I've never liked how Bryan Singer's movies turn out. Matthew Vaughn should have directed all of them.
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Mystique should NOT be a lead in the X-Men. They should have made Jennifer Lawrence - Jean if they wanted her fanbase.
It's neither here nor there, now. These CBM universes are far from perfect, anyway.
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It took 18 movies for them to finally fight Thanos. The Apocalypse and Phoenix Saga are strong story archs and they should have taken time to set them up properly.
The end result of not having all the characters under one house. Additionally, Adam Warlock should be part of the final conflict with Thanos, and he is nowhere in sight. Drax should be more than a muscular buffoon, too. Too late now.
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Captain Marvel was briefly introduced in the last moments of Infinity War.
No, she wasn't. You saw her uniform's emblem. And I'd still like to hear how Fury knew her back in the '90s and there's not been a single mention of Danvers from 2008-onward.
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She will have her intro movie and then a pivotal role in Avengers End Game. So 3 films.
Two films. The mid-credits scene of Infinity War doesn't count.
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Also, the guy that they hired to play Cyclops was a bad call. He is shorter than Jean. Cyclops should be 6'0 to 6'2.
All moot anyway, really. DARK PHOENIX is the last of the Fox X-Men movies. It's looking more and more like X-Force or whatever it was may never get a theatrical release. It'll probably premiere on Disney+ someday. It sounds like the movie is a real mess. Too many chefs in the kitchen.
Personally, I would love to see Marvel give their entire cinematic universe a reboot in the next five years. Do it right this time, with the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, etc. all in the same universe. But if wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.
In other news, it looks like the DC movies are steering away from "team up" movies to concentrate on individual characters. Good call!
The DC universe is a key franchise for Warner Bros., but results have been mixed. How has your strategy changed?
The upcoming slate, with “Shazam,” “Joker,” “Wonder Woman 1984” and “Birds of Prey,” feels like we’re on the right track. We have the right people in the right jobs working on it.
The universe isn’t as connected as we thought it was going to be five years ago. You’re seeing much more focus on individual experiences around individual characters. That’s not to say we won’t at some point come back to that notion of a more connected universe. But it feels like that’s the right strategy for us right now.
What finally clicked?
What Patty Jenkins did on “Wonder Woman” illustrated to us what you could do with these characters who are not Batman and Superman. Obviously, we want to get those two in the right place, and we want strong movies around Batman and Superman. But “Aquaman” is a perfect example of what we can do. They’re each unique and the tone’s different in each movie.
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) and the 4 Horsemen and now they are going to battle the Phoenix. It looks like she kills Mystique (THANK GOD!) in the trailer.