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Hmm. Well, saw Aquaman. I wasn't all that impressed.
It didn't have any scene that gave me the feeling of "superhero" that Wonder Woman's "No Man's Land" scene. But I'll admit that was very rare--I can't think offhand of any other superhero film that did that, either.
Perhaps it's because the movie isn't structured the same way as Wonder Woman's. Aquaman's already been out there "superheroing" when the movie begins. The first scene in the sub is awesome. The action choreography is fantastic. Then there's "that scene in Italy." That was just nuts.
There are a plenitude of beats to support Aquaman's status as a superhero, and those do include moments where he expresses humility and regret.
Enjoyed Jason Momoa and Amber heard although I wish their relationship was a bit more "thought out" if that makes sense.
Did not like Patrick Wilson's character at all. He just did not convince me of a villain. My son's who have read the aquaman comics wished they would have just stuck with Black Manta who evidently is the major protagonist in the comics. (lol, I never read them so I have to take their word on this)
Nicole Kidman? I enjoyed her at the beginning but didn't really see the need to bring her back. The second half of her being found could have been left out IMO and the movie would have been just as good.
I do think he qualifies as a super hero. All and all it was an enjoyable movie, DC still hasn't reached Marvel universe level yet but they are getting better with every movie.
Enjoyed Jason Momoa and Amber heard although I wish their relationship was a bit more "thought out" if that makes sense.
Did not like Patrick Wilson's character at all. He just did not convince me of a villain. My son's who have read the aquaman comics wished they would have just stuck with Black Manta who evidently is the major protagonist in the comics. (lol, I never read them so I have to take their word on this)
Nicole Kidman? I enjoyed her at the beginning but didn't really see the need to bring her back. The second half of her being found could have been left out IMO and the movie would have been just as good.
I do think he qualifies as a super hero. All and all it was an enjoyable movie, DC still hasn't reached Marvel universe level yet but they are getting better with every movie.
Jason Mamoa's AquaBro is a nice change from everything the comics have offered. He's rather like the new Thor-bro in that respect. Some characters just can't seem to play seriously on the screen.
Did not like Patrick Wilson's character at all. He just did not convince me of a villain. My son's who have read the aquaman comics wished they would have just stuck with Black Manta who evidently is the major protagonist in the comics. (lol, I never read them so I have to take their word on this)
Yes, Black Manta is Aquaman's classic archnemesis, in the same way Joker is Batman's (who doesn't appear in Batman Begins, but the sequel The Dark Knight), and the Red Skull is Captain America's (gone after just one movie). Aquaman's story is based on Geoff Johns' New 52 reboot of Aquaman.
Patrick Wilson is one of the best actors out there today. Sorry you didn't like Orm, but Manta will be back.
Yes, Black Manta is Aquaman's classic archnemesis, in the same way Joker is Batman's (who doesn't appear in Batman Begins, but the sequel The Dark Knight), and the Red Skull is Captain America's (gone after just one movie). Aquaman's story is based on Geoff Johns' New 52 reboot of Aquaman.
Patrick Wilson is one of the best actors out there today. Sorry you didn't like Orm, but Manta will be back.
That doesn't make much realistic sense to me.
Joker and Batman are pretty much equal in terms of intelligence and power, so their perpetual enmity is plausible.
But Black Manta is a guy in an Atlantis-tech suit. He's not Tony Stark, he isn't even Lex Luthor.
This newish Aquaman is not only hyper-powered himself but also has a high-technology nation behind him. Logically, Black Manta shouldn't be that hard to take out of the game, and certainly shouldn't be able to continue to be his primary arch-foe.
Joker and Batman are pretty much equal in terms of intelligence and power, so their perpetual enmity is plausible.
But Black Manta is a guy in an Atlantis-tech suit. He's not Tony Stark, he isn't even Lex Luthor.
This newish Aquaman is not only hyper-powered himself but also has a high-technology nation behind him. Logically, Black Manta shouldn't be that hard to take out of the game, and certainly shouldn't be able to continue to be his primary arch-foe.
What makes a villain? Must s/he always necessarily be a direct threat? What about innocents? What about those s/he loves? We saw this play out onscreen.
With regard to a conversation between Mera and Arthur:
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I believe we get some foreshadowing when Arthur expresses his regret over leaving Jesse Kane, i.e. David Kane's (Manta) father, to die in the sub rescue. Jesse had just attempted to kill Arthur with a rocket, which made the latter take a quick time-out, burnwise.
That said, sometimes we do see villains do things that aren't defined by a power set. Everyone applauded Nemo in Civil War for being a regular guy who pitted various Avengers against each other without directly confronting them.
Additionally, as you mentioned, Manta's suit is Atlantean tech. Did you watch the movie? If not, consider two things:
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Atlantean steel can cut an Atlantean, while terran steel cannot. Manta's arm blade is Atlantean steel, and he even says so.
The Atlantean plasma rifles, which Manta modified for his helmet to fire plasma beams, are extremely dangerous to an Atlantean, and can seriously burn, maim and kill. Arthur didn't really win that battle with Manta in the movie. Manta's suit malfunctioned and that's what took him out of the game.
Joker and Batman are pretty much equal in terms of intelligence and power, so their perpetual enmity is plausible.
True, but I don't think that's what makes them such great opponents. They are both opponents with clear motivations, neither of whom will ever get what they want, so they are in perpetual enmity.
Batman thinks his primary motivation is to cleanse Gotham of crime. It isn't. His primary motivation is guilt. He is not only haunted by the deaths of the parents but --- and this key, and why Batman will always be a superior hero to Superman --- he blames himself. What Batman really wants is to erase the past. He wants his choices not to have led to his parents' murders. That will never happen. Superman would love it if Krypton had not been destroyed, but he sure doesn't blame himself for the tragedy that made him. Batman does.
The Joker is all about corruption and chaos. He doesn't care about money or power or influence or honor. He wants to corrupt the world so that he can finally convince himself that everyone is just as much a monster as he is. That all comes to a point with Batman. The Joker doesn't want to kill Batman. The Joker wants Batman to kill the Joker. He doesn't want to end Batman's life. He wants to damn Batman's soul. But Batman will never kill --- a key point that the recent filmmakers have completely misunderstood and thus taken away much of what is compelling about the characters. Their Batman is just a rich thug with lots of high-tech weaponry.
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But Black Manta is a guy in an Atlantis-tech suit. He's not Tony Stark, he isn't even Lex Luthor.
This newish Aquaman is not only hyper-powered himself but also has a high-technology nation behind him. Logically, Black Manta shouldn't be that hard to take out of the game, and certainly shouldn't be able to continue to be his primary arch-foe.
I thought much the same thing about Killmonger in BLACK PANTHER. As much as I enjoyed the movie, I found the villain rather shallow and uninteresting. The filmmakers went the easy way and gave us little more than a Saturday morning cartoon bad guy. He had the potential to be much more.
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