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Old 06-22-2018, 07:02 AM
 
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Is this woman the ideal Montrealer?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYPD6JJtDM
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Is this woman the ideal Montrealer?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYPD6JJtDM
Here is her husband, who is a DJ on an English language rock station (the only one in the city in fact), guesting on her program on Radio-Canada.


https://ici.radio-canada.ca/premiere...-walker-cancon


Anne-Marie's co-host, Rebecca Makkonen, is of Ethiopian origin.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Does anyone else has suggestions what Québec could do to become more different than the rest of Canada?
Here's another idea - put more thought into immigration.

Quebec could really reinforce its distinct status by selecting immigrants that would have a high probability of integrating into its French-speaking majority.

Of course, this would include more native Francophones from Europe. With high unemployment in France, this shouldn't be that hard.

Argentina seems untapped. Argentinians are lapsed Catholic Latins, highly educated. But, their economy is a mess. Quebec could do some good marketing there. Once you get a few, you increase your likelihood of getting more.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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Here's another idea - put more thought into immigration.

Quebec could really reinforce its distinct status by selecting immigrants that would have a high probability of integrating into its French-speaking majority.

Of course, this would include more native Francophones from Europe. With high unemployment in France, this shouldn't be that hard.

Argentina seems untapped. Argentinians are lapsed Catholic Latins, highly educated. But, their economy is a mess. Quebec could do some good marketing there. Once you get a few, you increase your likelihood of getting more.
We're already doing this. It just takes a bit of time to turn the Titanic around.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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Does anyone else has suggestions what Québec could do to become more different than the rest of Canada?
Bring back the now defunct Latin Union... make its headquarters in Montreal... to encourage cultural, scientific, and educational exchange among members and to strengthen Latin-based languages in the world.
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Old 06-23-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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Here's another idea - put more thought into immigration.

Quebec could really reinforce its distinct status by selecting immigrants that would have a high probability of integrating into its French-speaking majority.

Of course, this would include more native Francophones from Europe. With high unemployment in France, this shouldn't be that hard.

Argentina seems untapped. Argentinians are lapsed Catholic Latins, highly educated. But, their economy is a mess. Quebec could do some good marketing there. Once you get a few, you increase your likelihood of getting more.
I tend not to support such an idea because it goes against the principle of free will. In as much as there are immigrants who don't speak a word of English or know anything about [North] American culture immigrating to the U.S. and the rest of Canada, emigrating to Quebec should be no different except of course the language and culture they must assimilate to is French. I just don't like the idea that just because a person can't speak the local language, he/she ought to be barred from moving to a certain place nor do I encourage the selection of only a handful of countries in the world to pitch Quebec immigration to. Canada's neighbour to the south had instituted similar measures in the past to limit the number of non-English speaking immigrants (the Chinese Exclusion Act if 1882 comes to my mind) and increase the number of English speaking immigrants, primarily from Great Britain and Ireland. To this day, many (though sadly not all) Americans regarded such acts as shameful and bigoted. It would seem highly ironic and demeaning that any part of America's neighbor to the north would re-institute bigoted concepts from well over a century ago.
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:21 AM
 
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I tend not to support such an idea because it goes against the principle of free will. In as much as there are immigrants who don't speak a word of English or know anything about [North] American culture immigrating to the U.S. and the rest of Canada, emigrating to Quebec should be no different except of course the language and culture they must assimilate to is French. I just don't like the idea that just because a person can't speak the local language, he/she ought to be barred from moving to a certain place nor do I encourage the selection of only a handful of countries in the world to pitch Quebec immigration to. Canada's neighbour to the south had instituted similar measures in the past to limit the number of non-English speaking immigrants (the Chinese Exclusion Act if 1882 comes to my mind) and increase the number of English speaking immigrants, primarily from Great Britain and Ireland. To this day, many (though sadly not all) Americans regarded such acts as shameful and bigoted. It would seem highly ironic and demeaning that any part of America's neighbor to the north would re-institute bigoted concepts from well over a century ago.
I think you will find your argument holds up better in the ROC and the US, which put a premium on individual rights. In Quebec, the rights paradigm is more collectivistic in orientation, as in the right of the *nation* to ensure the perpetuity of francité.

In Quebec (as in the ROC and the US), the unborn child has no legally recognized rights. Legalized abortion is state-sponsored murder and Quebec is a leader in the field -- pretty shameful.

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Old 06-24-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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I just don't like the idea that just because a person can't speak the local language, he/she ought to be barred from moving to a certain place nor do I encourage the selection of only a handful of countries in the world to pitch Quebec immigration to. Canada's neighbour to the south had instituted similar measures in the past to limit the number of non-English speaking immigrants (the Chinese Exclusion Act if 1882 comes to my mind) and increase the number of English speaking immigrants, primarily from Great Britain and Ireland. To this day, many (though sadly not all) Americans regarded such acts as shameful and bigoted. It would seem highly ironic and demeaning that any part of America's neighbor to the north would re-institute bigoted concepts from well over a century ago.

US-Americas's neighbour to the north had instituted similar measures in the past to limit francophone migrants, while increasing the number of English speaking immigrants, primarily from Great Britain and Ireland.
Canada ruined and massively marginalized francophone culture in the past, it was not before the proclamation of the Charter of the French language in 1977 that francophone migration towards Québec became significant. Before the 1980s it was mostly migration from the UK and other countries, but not francophone countries as Canada tried to outnumber francophones in Québec by using mass migration, diminishing their weight and it has suceeded in making francophones become a minority in Montréal.



Anglophones in Québec used to be a small minority, but Canada under British rule (and Canada was British until 1982 - 200 years longer than the US were & the Queen had to approve Bill 101!!!) used English migration on purpose to marginalize and diminish the importance of French, as a consequence the rather small Anglo minority in Québec turned into a strong minority.
I'm sick and tired of being told that the Anglophones contributed much to Québec...yes, they did contribute, but only negatively! They were imported by Canada under British rule and their sole purpose was to keep Canada British and to keep ties with the UK, Canada just used anglophone migration to undermine francophone culture. And the stupid anglos don't even realize that they were just used by the Canadian and British governments in a dirty game to keep and enhance their monopoly power.



The UK took illegally control of Québec and there has been over 180 years of significant English migration to Québec with the sole aim to wipe out French culture (from 1815 to 1977). Québec now has the moral right to undo these 180 years and protect what's left of the French language. So Québec does have the moral right to select migrants with a focus on French skills!



"At the beginning of the Great British Migration. Canadians of French descent, outnumbered those of British descent. The total population of the provinces of Canada was approximately half a million. At the end the period, the English Canadian population was double that of the French Canadian population out of a total of 2.4 million." If it wasn't for the UK's rule, Canada would now be French majority!



Not selecting migrants by language they speak, it a huge and tremendous disadvantage for Québec because English is by a large margin the world's most often taught foreign language. This isn't anymore 1980, now English is taught in Asia, everywhere in Europe, etc. Hispanic America is more an exception because they do not really need English because Spanish itself is an imperial and widely spoken language, so they can afford not to know English and still be globally served, but Hispanic migration towards Canada has not the same dimensions as towards the US.



By default, if there were no language regulations, much, much, much more people would know English than French upon arrival in Montréal, and since you can get all services in Montréal in English, there would be no reason for them to ever learn French, if they already know English. People who don't know English, who come to Canada, are a minority, the majority does know English.


We had this siutation before 1977.... When there was no significant francophone migration towards Québec and when the vast majority didn't knew any French, 90% of linguistic transfers went in favor of English. So, if we do the same again what you suggest, not regulating language, we will get the same situation again: Total dominance of English.


Unlike what Acajack said, the success in linguistic transfers shifting more towards French; that's not the success of Bill 101, that's the sole success of Québec'd migration policy and putting an emphasis on knowing French. Most linguistic transfers towards French come from Africans... if it wasn't for the Africans, English would still have more lingustic tranfers than French. The only good way to make really sure that migrants will integrate into Montréal, is to make sure they know French before arrival. Once they arrive and know no French, it's too late and they take the English only way.





+ honestly, I don't think that US-Americans know about the Chinese Exclusion Act, etc., and I think most US-Americans are indifferent towards languages other than English, therefore they don't even think of them as shameful. We have seen it in this topic...Anglos feel very entitled and won't be happy until all of Canada is theirs.


By the way, today is Québec's national holiday! It's celebrated every year on June 24th!
Today is june 24th!
---------------------------> Bonne fête nationale!








May Québec become a free nation one day! Today let's feel like a nation!

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Old 06-24-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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Unlike what Acajack said, the success in linguistic transfers shifting more towards French; that's not the success of Bill 101, that's the sole success of Québec'd migration policy and putting an emphasis on knowing French. Most linguistic transfers towards French come from Africans... if it wasn't for the Africans, English would still have more lingustic tranfers than French. The only good way to make really sure that migrants will integrate into Montréal, is to make sure they know French before arrival. Once they arrive and know no French, it's too late and they take the English only way.
Well for that you'd really need Quebec to become an independent country and a mightily authoritarian or fascist one at that. You'd have to set up checkpoints and questioners to thoroughly question all immigrants to make sure they can speak conversational French, you'd have to hire a special governmental bureau to routinely inspect all schools to make sure students are taught proper French and that teachers are indeed speaking French, and you'd have to limit or even prohibit certain American goods that promote English speaking culture such as CDs into Quebec. You say the English language to Quebec and especially Montreal is like a narcotic, too addictive and corrupting to the Allophones and youth of Montreal and yet causes harm to society, well so be it. Fascism does not come for free though. Everyone would have to routinely work hard to preserve the system over their own individual rights and the country would have to be entirely self-sufficient. You said Quebecois don't like to work longer hours because they believe in the right for everyone to enjoy life. Well don't be surprised if that can no longer work and everyone has to work two shifts just to make ends meet. How would the fun loving Montrealers feel about that? Not to mention I'm sure many of your fellow Quebecois would not appreciate losing the privilege of driving over to Ontario or New Brunswick without a passport so you will have inconvenienced them too.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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1.You'd have to set up checkpoints and questioners to thoroughly question all immigrants to make sure they can speak conversational French,



2 .you'd have to hire a special governmental bureau to routinely inspect all schools to make sure students are taught proper French and that teachers are indeed speaking French,



3. and you'd have to limit or even prohibit certain American goods that promote English speaking culture such as CDs into Quebec.



4. Everyone would have to routinely work hard to preserve the system over their own individual rights and the country would have to be entirely self-sufficient. You said Quebecois don't like to work longer hours because they believe in the right for everyone to enjoy life. Well don't be surprised if that can no longer work and everyone has to work two shifts just to make ends meet. How would the fun loving Montrealers feel about that?



5. Not to mention I'm sure many of your fellow Quebecois would not appreciate losing the privilege of driving over to Ontario or New Brunswick without a passport so you will have inconvenienced them too.



1. The Québec Ministery of immigration, Diversity and Inclusion has already been checking immigrants for more than a decade with regard to the level of their written and spoken French skills.

And by the way, Québec also checks English skills and the rest of Canada also checks written and spoken English skills! Unfortunately, in Québec the end-result-quasi quota for French knowledge is only 45% of all migrants. I think it should be raised to 80%. Does the US not check it? Well, I think it simply doesn't need to check it because the migrants will either way end up using English, there's no alternative to English.



"All new candidates in the Regular Skilled Worker Program who wish to obtain points in the selection grid for their knowledge of French (principal applicant: 16 points for oral and written knowledge; spouse: maximum of 6 points) and English (principal applicant only: maximum of 6 points for oral and written) must present attestations of results of evaluation tests or diplomas recognized by the Ministère."
Immigration, Diversité et Inclusion Québec - French and English knowledge for candidates from the Regular Skilled Worker Program


2. Teachers for French schools must have studied in French (except for English as a foreign language teachers), so in some way they will be good in French, which will be hopefully reflected in the way they teach French. I wouldn't proceed on the assumption that they will speak English to their pupils, if they would have wanted to speak English, they would probably have become teachers for English schools in first place and Bill 101 makes speaking French mandatory in the instruction of subjects in French schools, each kid has the right to receive education in French, so if there is a class of 25 pupils, only 1 of them would need to complain to dismiss the teacher.



But maybe you mean French in French immersion schools? Yes, I heard, that not all programs that are labelled as French, are French in the end. So if parents are told, their kids will get 47% or 62% education in French, yes, it's likely that it will only be 35% or 48% French. But the kids in these schools are anglophone anyway, and they forever will be anglophone, so it doesn't matter how much french they get.



3. Luckily American music is very basic and uses only impoverished, sparse baby tonight we make it right, I want more on the dance floor, I'm stronger than I've been before because I can't resist it no more vocabulary,
as long as American music does not contain lyrics how to hold a conference, as long as it doesn't use technical terms, as long as it stays as simple as elementary school 4th grade English, as long as it doesn't use business-related vocabulary, it is OKAY for the Québec market.



4. I love this comment haha.
We Québécois will continue to work one shift, the second shift will British Columbia work for us
Parents in Alberta or BC may indeed have to work two shifts to pay for their children's daycare, but in Québec it is subventionized, we're a socialist province and we love it
Since Canada bought us and forces us to stay in Canada, it has to pay the price for denying us independence
Québec gets equalization payments. In no other province you can work so few as in Q and still get the most out of it. I guess that's why Jambo never left Dorval, despite complaining so much about Bill 101?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4290676/e...ada-provinces/
well, the fun loving Montréalers want more $$$ from Calgary and Vancouver, and I think they deserve it

5. big things may happen in Toronto, but really great and amazing things happen in NYC and then you have to cross the border anyway


6. I think Québec should introduce more public holidays to distinguish itself from the rest of Canada!

We need more no-work days, that are devoted to our history and culture! Happy national holiday to all Québeckers, 24.06.2018!! Nous nous amuserons jusqu'à la fin des temps
You wanted to introduce a St Patrick day, right? Yeah, I 100% support introducing a St Patrick & Remembrance Day of the Irish Language and Its Disappareance Day, as a public holiday, that is mandatory free for everyone!

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