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It's the same thing in ROC(Rest of Canada). You cannot find a good job no matter how talented you are or how fancy your degree is from your country of origin. You need "Canadian experience". For immigrants, they are fighting an uphill battle regardless of province or language. But it makes sense that Canadians would want to protect job security for their citizens first.
However, to be fair though, a lot of them did stay, which is an indication that it's still feasible to make a living without advanced knowledge of French in Montreal. But most of these people are very blue collar.
Not exactly true. Quite a few first generation Chinese and Indians in Montreal that speak only basic French and have reasonable jobs, definitely not blue collar.
It's the same thing in ROC(Rest of Canada). You cannot find a good job no matter how talented you are or how fancy your degree is from your country of origin. You need "Canadian experience". For immigrants, they are fighting an uphill battle regardless of province or language. But it makes sense that Canadians would want to protect job security for their citizens first.
Do you believe this to be true even if someone goes through the Permanent Resident process, learns French and has strong experience (in addition to the education)? I'm wondering how Canadian immigration has tripled its numbers this past year for PR if people are not able to find any good jobs (e.g. IT jobs) .
Not exactly true. Quite a few first generation Chinese and Indians in Montreal that speak only basic French and have reasonable jobs, definitely not blue collar.
Depends what you mean by "first generation".
People of those origins who are under 40 (even under 50) who grew up in Montreal generally speak French just fine.
Do you believe this to be true even if someone goes through the Permanent Resident process, learns French and has strong experience (in addition to the education)? I'm wondering how Canadian immigration has tripled its numbers this past year for PR if people are not able to find any good jobs (e.g. IT jobs) .
well, I don't know how it is in Toronto but according to what I see in Montreal,
it seems like a ton of immigrants rely on employment within their own ethnic bloc
and are generally happy to get by with menial jobs with no prospect in social mobility.
many immigrants in Canada are from third world countries, where people have it way worse.
for them, underemployment or other sub-par jobs in Canada is much better than whatever they had in their own country.
Do you believe this to be true even if someone goes through the Permanent Resident process, learns French and has strong experience (in addition to the education)? I'm wondering how Canadian immigration has tripled its numbers this past year for PR if people are not able to find any good jobs (e.g. IT jobs) .
There are some barriers for sure (including the dreaded "Canadian experience" one that has nothing to do with race or ethnicity) but I don't think it's unsurmountable. Even if it is problematic I agree.
That said, the large numbers of people coming into Canada aren't necessarily a sign of most of them landing great jobs when they are here.
People are lured by the dream - the reality on the ground when they get here may be different.
Also, barriers to obtaining a good job in Canada may exist but they may not be as worse as they are in most other western countries.
There are some barriers for sure (including the dreaded "Canadian experience" one that has nothing to do with race or ethnicity) but I don't think it's unsurmountable. Even if it is problematic I agree.
That said, the large numbers of people coming into Canada aren't necessarily a sign of most of them landing great jobs when they are here.
People are lured by the dream - the reality on the ground when they get here may be different.
Also, barriers to obtaining a good job in Canada may exist but they may not be as worse as they are in most other western countries.
Coming from Philly, we want to be in Montreal over the longer term. However, we're thinking maybe getting residency in Toronto for a few years as a stepping stone to getting into the country. Work on learning more French, get citizenship (if possible) and then move a few years in.
I have 15 years of professional experience with post-graduate degree (top 5%'er). My wife has a post-grad degree and at least 5 years of experience. I figured there would be opportunity there, but I'm too early in the process to see what that looks like.
Btw, I'm fully prepared for the experience on the ground. I'm definitely not imagining a fairy tale.
If you have that much experience, you might get sponsored by a company.
Definitely look into that line. I'm pretty sure you can also buy your own sponsorship.
There is a whole industry out there which takes advantage of incoming immigrants.
But if you have no job experience, no higher ed degree, but some money, there still is a way through Quebec province nomination.
You just need to satisfy two requirements.
i) pass a B2 level of French. you can just take courses in local universities, which is much easier than taking the standardized tests like DELF or TEFAQ. And trust me this level of French is not a high level of French. It's a piece of cake. Just show up to class and do your HW and the instructor will pass you.
ii) finish 1800 hours of any post-secondary education in Quebec. This will cost around $20,000 for a 1.5 year program.
it's called PEQ, btw. possibly, the easiest immigration program anywhere in the world for people with no qualification, but it's expensive.
If you have that much experience, you might get sponsored by a company.
Definitely look into that line. I'm pretty sure you can also buy your own sponsorship.
There is a whole industry out there which takes advantage of incoming immigrants.
But if you have no job experience, no higher ed degree, but some money, there still is a way through Quebec province nomination.
You just need to satisfy two requirements.
i) pass a B2 level of French. you can just take courses in local universities, which is much easier than taking the standardized tests like DELF or TEFAQ. And trust me this level of French is not a high level of French. It's a piece of cake. Just show up to class and do your HW and the instructor will pass you.
ii) finish 1800 hours of any post-secondary education in Quebec. This will cost around $20,000 for a 1.5 year program.
it's called PEQ, btw. possibly, the easiest immigration program anywhere in the world for people with no qualification, but it's expensive.
Thank you, very helpful!!!
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