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Old 06-05-2013, 04:36 AM
 
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Why are road signs outside of New Brunswick not bilingual? I know in Ottawa and some federal highways are, but what about the rest? Why can't most Canadians speak English and French just like how most Scandinavians can speak English?
What the.... are you kidding me??? You must be a troll. You go to Alberta or the Yukon with that comment and let's see how many people laugh at you Those are some very interesting expectations from someone who doesn't know a darn thing about a country.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:13 AM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I love Quebec just the way it is. It seems to me like you like Quebec ONTVisit so why do you want to change it? Supporting laws like Bill 101 is trying to change Quebec into something else. Quebec without the English is not Quebec.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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Just to bring some balance to the discussion:

"The Anglo-Canadians treated French speaking Quebecois like second-class crap for much of history, so I get it, I’d be pissed too, I’d want my own thing and when I got it I’d want to make sure there’s no backsliding to the bad old days... No matter how you feel about Quebec as either separate from or as an essential part of greater Canada, any reasonable person loves this place." - Anthony Bourdain
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:49 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Just to bring some balance to the discussion:

"The Anglo-Canadians treated French speaking Quebecois like second-class crap for much of history, so I get it, I’d be pissed too, I’d want my own thing and when I got it I’d want to make sure there’s no backsliding to the bad old days... No matter how you feel about Quebec as either separate from or as an essential part of greater Canada, any reasonable person loves this place." - Anthony Bourdain
Seps want revenge even though half of them weren't even alive in those days. Two wrongs don't make a right
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Care to clarify? As so far I have easily struck down each and every argument you, Acajack and ONTVisit have presented.
In your own mind, anyway...
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'm taking this as that you're speaking from experience. Right?
I can also speak from experience as I lived as a francophone outside Quebec (including in Ontario) for most of my life.

You will fare much better in English in Montreal than you will in French in Ottawa, Cornwall, Sudbury, Timmins or even Moncton.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'm sure if I go to cities like Sudbury or Ottawa (which have a similar percentage of francophones as Montreal does anglophones), I'd be able to easily get French services. I'll bet it would be just as difficult to get English services in Chicoutimi as it would be to get French services in Toronto. Contrary to popular belief, only two provinces in Canada have designated official languages, Quebec and New Brunswick. New Brunswick being English-French bilingual and Quebec being unilingually French. All other 8 provinces are de facto bilingual.
No - all of the other provinces are de facto English only.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Nope. Unless you're willing to wait while they go fetch THE francophone of the office - and it will usually not be done with a smile... Very different from public services in Montreal where the vast majority of employees will try to accommodate you in whichever language you decide to use.
Exactly my experience living for over 25 years in the ''rest of Canada''.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Francophones are guaranteed the right to education in French. Whether you're an immigrant or not, if your first language is French, you are permitted to go to a publically funded French school. These french-language schools exist across Canada.
The public school attendance rules are almost exactly the same for French schools outside Quebec as English schools inside Quebec. The main difference is that the responsibility for managing this in Ontario is devolved to school boards whereas in Quebec is the Ministry of Education that takes care of it.

It is true that some Ontario francophone school boards may be looser in their application of the rules but this is allowed by the province because only a small number of immigrant kids end up going to French schools. Rest assured that if the majority of immigrant kids in Toronto or Ottawa opted for French schools (like the majority of immigrant kids went to English school in Quebec prior to 1977 - it was actually 85%!) that the province of Ontario would apply the rules much more stringently.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:34 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The public school attendance rules are almost exactly the same for French schools outside Quebec as English schools inside Quebec. The main difference is that the responsibility for managing this in Ontario is devolved to school boards whereas in Quebec is the Ministry of Education that takes care of it.

It is true that some Ontario francophone school boards may be looser in their application of the rules but this is allowed by the province because only a small number of immigrant kids end up going to French schools. Rest assured that if the majority of immigrant kids in Toronto or Ottawa opted for French schools (like the majority of immigrant kids went to English school in Quebec prior to 1977 - it was actually 85%!) that the province of Ontario would apply the rules much more stringently.
No province bans francophone immigrants from attending school in French. Anways, your misinformed about the school boards and their responsibilities as well. Students who live in a school district without a French school are sent to French schools in other boards, including children with immigrant parents.
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