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Old 06-05-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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No province bans francophone immigrants from attending school in French. Anways, your misinformed about the school boards and their responsibilities as well. Students who live in a school district without a French school are sent to French schools in other boards, including children with immigrant parents.
You should read Section 23 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


And yes, you can get denied admission to a French-language school in English Canada. But it is the school board that would generally deny admission, not the Ministry of Education. Both Canadian citizens and immigrants can be denied admission.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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No province bans francophone immigrants from attending school in French.
Only Canadian citizens that already speak French are allowed to attend school in French in Ontario.

Immigrants who are not canadian citizens yet, or those who do not speak French already are not allowed in the francophone system. They have to attend school in English.

Here are the admission criterias to the French schools in Ontario, from the Conseil catholique du district catholique Centre-Sud (that covers the Toronto area)
The following have the right to have their children educated in French at the elementary and secondary school levels in Ontario:
  • Canadian citizens residing in Ontario whose first language learned and still understood is French; OR
  • Canadian citizens residing in Ontario who received their elementary-level education in French, here or elsewhere in Canada; OR
  • Canadian citizens who have a child who received, or who is receiving, his or her education in French language school at the elementary or secondary level, here or elsewhere in Canada
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These rules are very similar to those that apply in Quebec, as Acajack pointed out.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Historically, out of anglo solidarity and also for other reasons, the anglo community and its grievances had widespread support among other North Americans.

But of late this unanimity has been fading and a lot of people see anglos in Quebec (at least those who refuse to speak any French) as stubborn dinosaurs.

It's funny how many people I hear in the US and Canada, who now say things like ''if they don't wanna learn French, why don't they just move out? They have nine other provinces and 50 states to choose from''.

And boneheaded moves like bringing in Howard Galganov to launch a new anglo rights party aren't going to make anybody take Anglo-Quebec gripes more seriously. Throw in crazies like Richard Bain and it is not a pretty picture.

It's too bad because as PDW says, the community has played an important part in the history of Quebec. But the current discourse emanating from it does not bode well for the future, and will certainly force more of them to move out because they don't know French and don't intend to learn because they are still hoping for the good old days when everything was in English to come back.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:17 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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The rate of bilingualism for English school graduates in Montreal is 97%! What more do you want? Banning English from signs unless it's half the size of French and banning immigrants from attending English schools that teach French as a second language is not acceptable. French is very important to Quebec's culture and history and I can't think of a single anglo that would even dream of trying to eliminate it. Who's the real clown, Howard Galganov or Mario Beaulieu?
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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The rate of bilingualism for English school graduates in Montreal is 97%! .
And yet one of the most frequent complaints of young anglophones in Quebec is that they can't write in French to save their lives - not well enough to work at their local bank branch or even send an email in French in a professional setting.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:23 PM
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And yet one of the most frequent complaints of young anglophones in Quebec is that they can't write in French to save their lives - not well enough to work at their local bank branch or even send an email in French in a professional setting.
So they can get a job somewhere else. What's the problem? How is teaching them to read "A Louer" or "Chez Schwartz Charcuterie Hébraïque de Montréal" going to help them?
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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So they can get a job somewhere else. What's the problem?
Most white collar jobs in Montreal require a decent level of written French. Did you not know this?
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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And obviously the claim of 97% bilingualism among English school graduates is an internal evaluation done by the school board, and actually part of their marketing scheme.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:26 PM
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Most white collar jobs in Montreal require a decent level of written French. Did you not know this?
That's their own problem for not paying more attention in their French classes. Same with a francophone kid who doesn't pay enough attention in their English classes. You write in English extremely well, my friend. Did you need to be forced into an English school to learn?
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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That's their own problem for not paying more attention in their French classes. Same with a francophone kid who doesn't pay enough attention in their English classes.
I went to francophone school in Ontario for much of my education. In high school we took the exact same English classes as the little anglos in English schools did. We read Shakespeare, and Chaucer and James Joyce, etc.

This is what a school system that cares about its students employment prospects in the common language of the society in which they live (in Ontario - English) does. My sense is that the English school system in Quebec does not do as a good a job of preparing its students for the Quebec workplace, and that the seriousness of French instruction (though greatly improved since the 60s and 70s) is perhaps tainted by a community undercurrent that thinks that French is just a temporary inconvenience that will simply go away with time.
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