How are things going with defunding the police? (Florida: safety, budget)

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by msRB311

If it were that easy to be solved it would have been. If the cops get a call for a knife wielding suspect who's stabbing someone or someone has a gun what is the answer ? What social worker would even want to show up to that scene ? There's no talking to people when they're at that point.

You liberals think you have all the answers. Ohh send a social worker to handle the 250lb dude who's barricaded himself and his kids in a room with a gun.

Yeah, shootings by cops of neurodivergent individuals and their health workers by cops is ok. See Florida and the Kinsey case.

The reality is most of the people harmed by cops aren't threatening others. They're a threat to no one but themselves.

The damn cop in the Kinsey case couldn't even hit the autistic person he was aiming at and instead hit the heroic mental health professional that was trying to help his patient. IF a professional social worker was sent in the first place, it would never have happened. Instead you get trigger happy untrained bro dudes that see everyone as a threat. Defund them.

Liberals don't pretend to have all the questions. Right wingers though, have none of them. Review history.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Factually incorrect. Police respond to 911 calls, which often involve mental health crises that have no determination of anything criminal happening at all. People get scared, or nervous, and they call 911.

They have ****ty training. They're barely trained at all. They can barely wear one hat well, never mind multiple hats. If our police had literal years of training before going into the job, then maybe that would work.

The entire point of defund the police was to reduce the number of hats they have to wear, and have well trained professionals that require extensive education and training wear the hat they are trained to wear. If in, the end, the mental health professional fails, the police can back up and come in. But to start with egregiously trained cops trying to wear hat number 5 to begin with gets people killed. It's also not fair to undertrained police.

It's not that they respond to calls that no one else can or will handle, wrong. They respond to what they're told to respond to and as a society we make police the go to and have not alternatives. We get it wrong. We structure it wrong. Defund the police is ALL ABOUT having police do what they do well, and then shifting some of that other funding toward other professionals to do what they do well.

It's common sense. It's practical. It's fiscally conservative.

But of course we like to spend way more for worse results as a society.

The incidents you are referring to involve violence, weapons, threats, trespass, and other factors 99 percent of which involve violations of law. That's generally why police are called and when people get hurt it's usually because weapons were involved. You know nothing about what police do on a day to day basis and their training includes a) that which they are hired with (which varies from place to place and officer to officer, b) the formal academy training which is generally a minimum of 6-8 months, c) field training which last upwards of a year, and d) on the job training (lasting years). Quality of officers is generaly dependent on the department and geographical location. Not only did the commie Defund movement have no such intent as to "reduce the number of hats" the number of hats the police wear won't be reduced as long as humans are humans and society is what it is. Your naivete (and ignorance) is so glaring it's scary. Go peddle that far-left commie BS somewhere else. Defund is just another commie divide and conquer strategy of lies and deception. You're either in on it, or really really dumb. One thing's for certain, you don't know jack about policing. There is a place for mental health professionals in the criminal justice system, and they are there and being used. Could they be used more? Most definitely, but the broad brush you're painting with here is inaccurate and misguided. Police departments across the country are integrating clinicians into their operations, but also developing cutting edge training in mental health for sworn personnel.

[msRB311]

I could see having a social worker go with cops to certain calls.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Yeah, shootings by cops of neurodivergent individuals and their health workers by cops is ok. See Florida and the Kinsey case.

The reality is most of the people harmed by cops aren't threatening others. They're a threat to no one but themselves.

The damn cop in the Kinsey case couldn't even hit the autistic person he was aiming at and instead hit the heroic mental health professional that was trying to help his patient. IF a professional social worker was sent in the first place, it would never have happened. Instead you get trigger happy untrained bro dudes that see everyone as a threat. Defund them.

Liberals don't pretend to have all the questions. Right wingers though, have none of them. Review history.

Amigo, is “neurodivergent” a real term or is it simply purple-haired che shirt herd’s newspeak for cray-cray?

[msRB311]

Lol right. I guess we don't say mentally Ill anymore ? It's now neurodivergent. Alrighty then.

How about mental case ? Psycho? Bat sh@t crazy?

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Lol right. I guess we don't say mentally Ill anymore ? It's now neurodivergent. Alrighty then.

How about mental case ? Psycho? Bat sh@t crazy?

That’s not three but four strikes you filthy word criminal, off to the gas chamber of tolerance you go! Comrade timber, release the zarin of inclusion for great social justice!

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

Amigo, is “neurodivergent” a real term or is it simply purple-haired che shirt herd’s newspeak for cray-cray?

"Trigger happy bro dudes" - no bias or prejudice there.

[msRB311]

Oh of course. He paints all cops with the same brush saying they all have 'sh@tty training' but tip toes around mentally ill nut jobs ready to kill their kids the trendiest word for crazy he can find.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

"Trigger happy bro dudes" - no bias or prejudice there.

Wait, so if every cop is a trigger happy bro dude because a small percentage of them happen to fit the description, by that same logic does it also mean every black male is a trigger-happy murderous thug because a much larger percentage of them also happen to fit the description? Or do broad brushes only work with blue and white colors?

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

Wait, so if every cop is a trigger happy bro dude because a small percentage of them happen to fit the description, by that same logic does it also mean every black male is a trigger-happy murderous thug because a much larger percentage of them also happen to fit the description? Or do broad brushes only work with blue and white colors?

Broad brushes don't usually work, period. But when you have a million+ police-citizen encounters annually, and less than 1 percent of those encounters end in significant problems, you might need to talk a lot of $hit to convince people they need to be defunded. And unfortunately black folks are the most at risk with such a reckless and irresponsible approach.