Is it possible to escape hunters, ATVs and noise in a rural area? (Boston: live, legal)

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by mdovell

Growing up in more of the suburbs seeing deer was pretty rare but then when I move to a more rural area it was much more common. Now seeing dear isn't that big of a deal. However, in the Berkshires I saw Bears twice. Now I live in Connecticut and supposedly there's a bobcat somewhere in town.

I feel the wildlife population even inside the suburbs has really exploded in the last decade. I see all sorts of animals inside 128 in fairly dense areas that i never saw when i was growing up.

Now, it's really not a big deal to see deer, turkeys and foxes/coyotes running through my yard in the evening and i'm still right on the I95/128 belt. I've even seen Bald Eagles as there is a nesting pair at the pond about 200 yards from me.

I stuck a trail camera in the yard and it's pretty amazing what sort of animals i've managed to capture on it.

[2nd trick op]

The OP is presenting herself as a "mega-wokester", who is so convinced of the rectitude of her mode of living that she can only protect it by imposing some of it on everybody else.

She is almost certainly headed for major disillusionment in later life.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

The OP is presenting herself as a "mega-wokester", who is so convinced of the rectitude of her mode of living that she can only protect it by imposing some of it on everybody else.

The OP did nothing of the sort.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

I feel the wildlife population even inside the suburbs has really exploded in the last decade. I see all sorts of animals inside 128 in fairly dense areas that i never saw when i was growing up.

Now, it's really not a big deal to see deer, turkeys and foxes/coyotes running through my yard in the evening and i'm still right on the I95/128 belt. I've even seen Bald Eagles as there is a nesting pair at the pond about 200 yards from me.

I stuck a trail camera in the yard and it's pretty amazing what sort of animals i've managed to capture on it.

There are certainly homes in next-door Newbury but they're mostly on larger lots, interspersed with salt marsh, farms and forest... funny you should say, but this morning I was getting gas near the village green when a red fox sprinted across the road right in front of me - I haven't seen a fox in ages and was psyched!

[NYLIER]

Originally Posted by timberline742

I don't have excessive money. I realize I am a member of society and with that comes obligations to contribute to a functioning society. Taxes are part or that obligation. Compared to most western democracies our taxes are very modest. Unfortunately, they are far too much skewed to be wasted on imperialism instead of what they should be, like infrastructure and education and helping those in need. Some of those taxes are used on schools, or health, and some to help private landowners with land management.

You are commenting without knowledge of Mass. As in, you were complaining about lack of wanton waste laws. We have them here in Mass. Plenty of other things you said don't apply to Mass, such as an open season on coyotes. Again, it's not an open season in MA. You may not want to provide more misinformation as they asked about MA not VT.

The OP appreciates my input and understands why I am mentioning the state of VT laws. Since you and I aren't on the same level, may I suggest you skip over my posts. It is very obvious you are "baiting" me again. BTW, GO FUND ME is a great website if you want to help the needy because you give what you can afford and can post your real name. Everyone should see what a kind, giving person you are. It is nice to help people in need as long as it doesn't affect people that are struggling.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by timberline742

They get lean, healthy, chemical free meat and experience the outdoors and learn nature while doing so.

How do you know they are healthy? You have no idea where this animals feed and what disease they have. The testing is way more rigorous in a slaughterhouse. Where, btw, they typically meet a much nicer way of dying than 99.99% small operations hunting and farming.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by Lampert

How do you know they are healthy? You have no idea where this animals feed and what disease they have. The testing is way more rigorous in a slaughterhouse. Where, btw, they typically meet a much nicer way of dying than 99.99% small operations hunting and farming.

They do test and monitor wild harvested animals. Regularly. That is one of the reasons in person checks are done for some seasons; in addition to demographic information. And they're feeding on wild plants. Not feed. No steroids. Nothing not natural. The meat is far leaner.

And I don't agree a slaughterhouse, having visited several and watching the operation, seeing the panic and the bolt gun to the head, and seeing a life on a feedlot, is nicer than living wild and being harvested by a hunter.

And plenty of slaughterhouses get sick animals. Culls from organic operations that have infections. Downer cows forced to their feet. It's quite common.

[mdovell]

Eh on a side note western mass doesn't have slaughterhouses and that's kinda a bad thing.

Basically the issue is that in order to sell meats if it is off site it has to be packed and processed. Some places send meats across to Vermont or NY. But that means interstate commerce and that means USDA inspection. That means more time and money logistically. CISA has talked about this for years. I actually live not far from a farm that can pretty much get you a cow if you want one it's the SNL skit come to life.

I'm not saying the meat industry is a clean one but distribution channels can be blocked making it harder to do anything. Always look at what is the middleman in any industry. I can consider vegetarianism to a point but I rather see lean meats than some $2 fast food hamburger.

My neighbor free ranges chickens...often times on my lawn. I don't mind because I usually get about a dozen eggs ever few weeks. They can really scratch the heck out of things that's for sure. Go crazy after that spaghettis squash.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by timberline742

They do test and monitor wild harvested animals. Regularly. That is one of the reasons in person checks are done for some seasons; in addition to demographic information. And they're feeding on wild plants. Not feed. No steroids. Nothing not natural. The meat is far leaner.

And I don't agree a slaughterhouse, having visited several and watching the operation, seeing the panic and the bolt gun to the head, and seeing a life on a feedlot, is nicer than living wild and being harvested by a hunter.

And plenty of slaughterhouses get sick animals. Culls from organic operations that have infections. Downer cows forced to their feet. It's quite common.

They could be feeding on landfills, they could be feeding on unknown contaminated sites of any sorts. They could be drinking polluted water, you have no idea of any of it and none of this is being tested because it wouldn't make any sense to test it. You only find exactly what you are testing for.
For instance studies show that eating hunted meat increases the level of lead in human bodies by 50%, the lead is leeching from the bullet. This is not something hunted animals are tested for on a routinely basis.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...mmunition-ban/

Most animals slaughtered in the US are not killed with a bolt. Neither pigs nor chickens are killed with a bolt in industrial slaughterhouses usually.

Second most small operations are carried out in an unprofessional way. Is not that the person doing the killing is evil is that they are not very good and they mess up very often. I have personally witnessed this countless times. In a slaughter house things work in a precise way and are much easier to fix, see the work of Temple Grandin.

[timberline742]

There aren't many usda slaughterhouses in Mass at all. It's an issue. Westport, I think, was nailed recently too for some horrific animal treatment. Misuse of a bolt gun.