10-26-2012, 08:20 AM
Location: Maine
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I think I agree with Northern Maine Land Man. This state is about 90% forested, but most of that belongs to big corporations. Unless you are a shareholder in those corporations you don't benefit. There are jobs, but a lot of them go to contractors who can be from anywhere. To live in this state means living on the margins. Still, I think that people will begin to figure out how to live in places like this again. We have a farmer's market in our town for example. Now the farmers who are in it are able to make a living off of their land again. This kind of local economy is growing, while the commodity farmers are having a harder and harder time making it. The larger economy is in trouble anyway. We need to recreate a local economy in order to make it around here.
10-26-2012, 08:31 AM
Location: Forests of Maine
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... We have a farmer's market in our town for example. Now the farmers who are in it are able to make a living off of their land again. This kind of local economy is growing, while the commodity farmers are having a harder and harder time making it. The larger economy is in trouble anyway. We need to recreate a local economy in order to make it around here.
Sustainable, subsistence farming is a growing sub-culture in Maine. More so than any I have seen anywhere else.
It takes years to figure out how to make it work, though I see new 'farmers' starting up each year.
10-26-2012, 07:56 PM
Location: Northern Maine
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Only in education or medicine do people come to Maine and walk into a full time job with benefits and vacations. An occasional paper industry engineer or manger makes it and law enforcement officers from away get hired in the larger towns. Sometimes the LEO even becomes temporary town manager.
MOst people coming home realize that they will be doing more than one thing in the course of a year. That's OK. It has always been that way. The old saying is that Maine exports spuds, studs and kids. Well, the kids are coming home to the dismay of progressives who want everybody to live in government approved condos in "core service communities".
Read the article in Wednesday's Bangor Daily News where Evan Richert says that young Mainers should expect to have a lower standard of living, smaller apartments and lower paying jobs. That's the plan. Young Mainers disagree.
10-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Location: Central Maine
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Read the article in Wednesday's Bangor Daily News where Evan Richert says that young Mainers should expect to have a lower standard of living, smaller apartments and lower paying jobs. That's the plan. Young Mainers disagree.
This is true, but is true all over the country. The economy is in the dumper, and the crushing debt will keep it there for quite awhile. Maine is a little worse, because of reasons I stated earlier. The days of your kids doing better than you did are over... at least for awhile.
10-27-2012, 12:50 AM
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This is true, but is true all over the country. The economy is in the dumper, and the crushing debt will keep it there for quite awhile. Maine is a little worse, because of reasons I stated earlier. The days of your kids doing better than you did are over... at least for awhile.
Exactly.
Only in a very few places in the US is the economy doing fairly well, places such as Boston and the Bay Area of California. The reason those places are doing well is because of technology (computers and/or biotech) and colleges and medical facilities, and government spending. But even those areas will not stay good forever as the problems of the national economy eventually over take these prosperous places as well. Then too the college loan bubble is coming to an end, and that won't be kind to places like Boston (or to a lesser extent, some of the northern New England college towns such as Middlebury, the Dartmouth area, Colby area, etc.)
(BTW, has anybody seen what Dartmouth and Middlebury College did to the real estate and surrounding house prices of their respective areas over the past 20 years? There's a lot of hot air to release in those places for sure.)
Nationally, we have automation, off-shoring, and the decline of cheap (oil) energy availability walloping the economy most everywhere and those problems aren't going away.
Some places such as Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and parts of California and the Southern states thought they could use the housing boom to forever keep their economies going, but of course all that housing was predicated on cheap, phoney mortgage money and all the associated scams. All those places take even more energy to keep the lifestyle going than Maine does, and at least Maine has wood for heat. Ever try to run an AC on wood? As well, despite our Maine town centers shrinking some, we still have town centers that can make a come back. In many places in the Sun/Boom Belt, because much of the landscape is newer, post WWII, even post 1960s, the lifestyles are exceptionally sprawled out and much of the housing depends on mechanical cooling to stay habitable. Even Aroostook County, supposedly spread out as it is, in reality has much of us living fairly close to stores, town, and whatnot (because most of us don't actually live in the far off reaches of all the wonderful forest.)
Only the return of local economies, keeping as much local wealth out of the hands of governments and mega, international corporations as possible, coupled with a willingness to forgo some of the ridiculous wealth expectations of the past 20 or 30 years or so, will keep things going well in places such as Maine.
Maine has forests and decently-watered farm land, located fairly close to North East population centers. Compared to places in the South West and Plains states that are seeing their rivers and aquifers especially, dry up, I think we'll do okay here,
relatively speaking , from here on.
Besides, we're not all that poor. Our foreclosure rates and vacant housing rates don't begin to approach those of the Sun/Boom states, and our unemployment rate in the formal economy isn't actually as bad as those other places' indices either.
Sometimes I think Maine has an inferiority complex with southern New England/Boston's economy because that's what's closest and hence, what we see, but the latter is not representative of the national, US economy by any means. (Comparisons with Quebec and New Brunswick, on the other hand....?)
10-27-2012, 06:43 AM
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This is true, but is true all over the country. The economy is in the dumper, and the crushing debt will keep it there for quite awhile. Maine is a little worse, because of reasons I stated earlier. The days of your kids doing better than you did are over... at least for awhile.
Nope,,, cant agree with your broad brush
my son is going to do much better than I, even in maine
10-27-2012, 08:36 AM
Location: Northern Maine
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"(Comparisons with Quebec and New Brunswick, on the other hand....?)"
I was flying home from Toronto, landing in Frederickton. The lady beside me said, "Oh, look; We are over the ocean. I said, "No, that isn't the ocean. That's Maine." There was not a light to be seen. Our path had taken us over Sherbrooke and Bromptonville, Quebec which is a thriving area. Suddenly there was total blackness. I explained to her that a century ago there were farms and villages down there, but they are all gone now. Millinocket was on my side of the commuter plane so she didn't see Millinocket. It was a clear night and soon she saw lights scattered all up and down the Trans-Canada east of Houlton. I told her that what she saw was the border town of Houlton and all the lights beyond were in Canada again. On my side of the plane I could see all the paper mills from Rumford, Jay, Lincoln and Woodland. Below that line there were lights everywhere with just a few dark spots like the middle of Washington County, now 19 townships or 425,000 acres where nothing will ever be built.
I was in a house in Talmadge that was scheduled to be demolished. On the dining room wall was a forestry map from the old St. Croix Pulpwood Company. I would love to have that map, but it didn't belong to me and I thought the owner might still want it. I hope it was preserved. Those are the 425,000 acres that Yale University bought and put into a trust so nobody could ever build a camp there.
I went to a meeting in Grand Lake Stream some 17 years ago when the environmental industry announced their goals for Washington County. I spoke against those goals. They were quite angry with me and one shrill woman yelled, "What do YOU PEOPLE want, anyway?"
I told her I was glad she asked. "I want my sons and grandchildren to have the same rights and opportunities that my father and grandfather had and it is my responsibility to preserve those rights. YOU PEOPLE don't want me or my descendants to have those rights." It got a round of applause. I do hope that mainebrokerman's son will do much better than he has. As an advocate for rural Maine for the last 38 years I'll continue to work to make that happen.
10-27-2012, 09:47 AM
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Nope,,, cant agree with your broad brush
my son is going to do much better than I, even in maine
I tried to rep you, but gotta spread it around.
Gen-Y homebuyers expected to transform Maine communities — Business — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine Who is this Evan Richert anyway? What's his background other than former director of the state planning office and Orono's town planner? If it's the same guy, he graduated from Syracuse University in 1974.
https://webapp.usm.maine.edu/MuskieW...?personId=1166
People need to stop all this gloom and doom about Maine and America. I don't agree with the broad brush either. 23 million people unemployed who had jobs and apparently wanted to work just doesn't seem acceptable to me. There doesn't seem to be enough improvement (net jobs) under the current administration. The key to economic prosperity is the free enterprise system/entrepreneurship. The U.S. has oil, but it must be harvested in order to be beneficial. Maine's economy has always been a struggle. That doesn't mean people can't be successful; just means they may have to work harder. I know Maine people with high school educations who started successful businesses that have been successful for three generations. There are areas of the country that actually have low unemployment. North Dakota, for example 2.4% largely due to jobs in oilfields.
Job Service North Dakota
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10-27-2012, 11:53 AM
Location: Northern Maine
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"Who is this Evan Richert anyway?"
Glad you asked. He is a far left radical environmentalist who championed the COMPACT under Angus King. Many will remember the COMPACT. I'm not shouting. organizations with initials like NATO stand for something. The COMPACT stood for Citizens Owning Maine Property Are Considered Trespassing. It was thy keystone of their rural cleansing movement. He is still a key figure in the environmental industry in Maine.
10-27-2012, 12:53 PM
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"Who is this Evan Richert anyway?"
Glad you asked. He is a far left radical environmentalist who championed the COMPACT under Angus King. Many will remember the COMPACT. I'm not shouting. organizations with initials like NATO stand for something. The COMPACT stood for Citizens Owning Maine Property Are Considered Trespassing. It was thy keystone of their rural cleansing movement. He is still a key figure in the environmental industry in Maine.
thanks for the info...my suspicions were correct
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Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)