05-31-2020, 01:38 PM
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RE viewing being 'essential' is helpful but as far as I can see, out-of-staters cannot come into Maine and then go about unless they self-quarantine for 14 days.... on the honor system. Is there some exception for motel stays without quarantine if one is viewing real estate? BTW, glad you have some sort of access, OP.
Kinda frustrating.. we are from a county in VA that does not have a problem..... over 900 square miles in our county and < 200 cases and 1 death. Of course this will all change before we get there anyway!
05-31-2020, 03:29 PM
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Here is the link to contact Janet Mills about any exceptions she may have to her quarantine rules.
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/contact
There are some hard hit areas (virus) between VA and Maine that you could be traveling through a by car etc. I read today that Massachusetts has had over 6000 deaths. Most likely you've heard about the cases in NYC, NJ, and CT as well as MD and DC. If you are serious about purchasing real estate anytime soon, why not procure lodging, quarantine 14 days and then go look at real estate. Otherwise, put your plans on hold.
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No, I won't travel through the bad areas by car; we've been up I-84 through Hartford etc., in the past, and we actually avoided that in Feb when we went up to Maine to snowmobile. (I knew where all 14 cases in the US were before our last trip in Feb!) I've already scoped out the bad areas and planned a route up I-81 through VT and upper NH on US2 with stops in low incidence areas. (And we are NOT from northern VA near DC; we don't recognize them in our part of the state! So don't be scared LOL) The drive in 1 (very) long day is doable and we would take our own food. I wear gloves to pump gas and we are strict about all those safe practices; we already do all these things locally.
Hence the frustration... we are not 'socialites', stick to ourselves, minimize exposure, can avoid the bad areas, and don't live in a high incidence area. We are safer to Maine than some Mainers themselves. No one knows where they might get exposed.... it is all about limiting your exposure and being strict on yourself with cleaning.
And here is what is confusing. How/where does one get a place in Maine to self-quarantine for 14 days? If you are allowed to get a motel room, you are going to have to get food; you can't eat delivery pizza 3 meals a day! It really does not make any sense, unless the true intent of the self-quarantine is to limit one's self to only essential actions... like getting food. When you run through the details, it is pretty obvious that Gov Mills and company have not thought this out.
BTW, I'll beg the OP's pardon for side-tracking his thread.
06-01-2020, 05:03 AM
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And here is what is confusing. How/where does one get a place in Maine to self-quarantine for 14 days? If you are allowed to get a motel room, you are going to have to get food; you can't eat delivery pizza 3 meals a day! It really does not make any sense, unless the true intent of the self-quarantine is to limit one's self to only essential actions... like getting food. When you run through the details, it is pretty obvious that Gov Mills and company have not thought this out.
BTW, I'll beg the OP's pardon for side-tracking his thread.
This is the problem we are facing getting out to the property we have purchased. I thought you could not get lodging until you had quarantined. So how can you get lodging to quarantine in--and then there is the problem of not being allowed out to get food. According to the last press conference, you could not go to the grocery, hardware store, or get takeout.
So to me it looks like they have thought this out, and the intent is to keep people out of Maine, since it's impossible to quarantine without being able to get food, unless one is able to find some place with cooking facilities and can bring in all food?
06-01-2020, 06:38 AM
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This is the problem we are facing getting out to the property we have purchased. I thought you could not get lodging until you had quarantined. So how can you get lodging to quarantine in--and then there is the problem of not being allowed out to get food. According to the last press conference, you could not go to the grocery, hardware store, or get takeout.
So to me it looks like they have thought this out, and the intent is to keep people out of Maine, since it's impossible to quarantine without being able to get food, unless one is able to find some place with cooking facilities and can bring in all food?
You do know that most are not enforcing this.
06-01-2020, 07:17 AM
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You do know that most are not enforcing this.
Yes, that is what I've heard. But I do try to respect the law, so I am trying to understand it.
06-01-2020, 09:15 AM
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Yes, that is what I've heard. But I do try to respect the law, so I am trying to understand it.
I could not say it better! Thank you. I was not really thinking that this is some sort of 'fake-out' BS but that may be..... Now if you rented a vacation cabin somewhere, or towed in a camper, and brought in 2 weeks of food, then it might come close to working, but it is still not workable.
I can understand the thoughts about outsiders from the NE corridor. Boston, NY and all points around have been a big breakout area. Folks living in the core of the big breakout area have been very frightened, and those around that region are frightened in turn. But that is changing. Wash DC, Chicago, and SoCal are the largest infection areas right now... and that is going to change and move around as time goes on.
We look to be, for the summer and into early fall, to be in a pattern of slow spread. Other big visitor areas are opening up; the Outer Banks of NC are now wide open to everyone after having been closed to even non-resident property owners for 6 weeks. Restaurants are limited but shops are opening on a limited capacity basis. Since almost all the lodging is rental homes, folks can keep to themselves to a good degree. The majority of renters there comes from the NE. We will see how that all works.
06-01-2020, 11:49 AM
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I like what you've said about travel routes, bringing food, gloves for pumping gas etc. It's clear you are taking precautions. Just an fyi... I don't hate VA. There is a relatively new doctor in Ellsworth from VA. We like him alot.
I think it is very doable. I think it is very workable. There are wonderful seafood restaurants (at least in Hancock County) offering curbside pick up... you don't have to eat pizza every day unless you want to. Maine has many yummy pizza (and other items such as hot and cold subs and salads) restaurants offering curbside pick up and some offer delivery. I am not under quarantine, but i have been buying curbside pick up to support several businesses. These are places I've been eating at for years. You can pay online with a credit card when you place your order which would be an excellent approach for someone under quarantine.
Rent a motel room that has a kitchen.. could be a studio type motel room if you want to use the term studio. Quarantine at the motel. You could bring two weeks' worth of food with you. Place an online pick up order at Walmart. Shaws offers free grocery delivery! Mix it up with restaurant curbside pickup or delivery. The expectation is for those quarantining to stay out of stores, stay out of restaurants, stay away from other people, etc. Open the link below and scroll way down to read specifics.
https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/inf...onavirus.shtml
Voila! Problem solved
PS Bring plenty of clothes--no going to a laundrymat during quarantine.
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06-01-2020, 02:55 PM
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Update: looks like I had incorrect information in the previous post (sorry). That is if the information in this Bangor Daily News article is correct.
https://bangordailynews.com/2020/05/...tine-answered/
06-01-2020, 03:11 PM
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Maineguuuurl, you have my permission to 'dislike' northern VA. It is another world up there anymore. We are contractors, and the few times we have done work in NoVA or DC, we add on what we call 'combat pay'. LOL
I think your 'expectations' list is what is reasonable and wise..... keep to one's self... which we typically do. We are not bar-hoppers. (And ESPECIALLY don't go to any retirement homes.) Actual individual behavior is what counts the most.
Here is what the website you linked sez:
"It is mandated that all out-of-state travelers coming into Maine, as well as Maine residents returning to Maine, complete a 14-day quarantine upon arrival. This means:
You need to arrive with enough food for 14 days or arrange to have food delivered to you. You cannot go out to grocery stores.
Stay at home. You cannot go out to public places.
Avoid contact with others, especially those who are at high risk of severe COVID-19 illness.
There is no order to quarantine for people who make short trips back and forth across the border for work. Travel should be limited to essential trips."
No going to 'public places' seems to be the key wording. I guess we have to 'bend the words' a bit to do pickup as it does not explicitly say that is OK. Good note on the supply of clothes; the bathtub will be a multi-purpose item or we will sneak down to the Kennebec and find some rocks LOL
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)