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Old 08-30-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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The situation you're describing would occur once, maybe twice a year. If that.

You're assuming a lot with this scenario:

- There would be enough people concerned with violent homeless people who would get concealed guns
- The one violent homeless person would attack the very person who got the concealed gun
- The person would actually shoot to kill

It's a percentage of a percentage of a percentage kind of situation.

A law allowing concealed carry isn't automatically going to arm everyone.
Not everyone would need to have a permit. Just enough people that fear would develop in the hearts of the homeless and they would quickly learn to behave.

You wouldn't need a high body count. If anything the body count would be lower than what it is now. There would be less crime.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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Not everyone would need to have a permit. Just enough people that fear would develop in the hearts of the homeless and they would quickly learn to behave.
Like I said, baseball bats are perfectly legal. Those homeless who are concerned with violence that might befall them are already aware. The rest won't give two craps.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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Like I said, baseball bats are perfectly legal. Those homeless who are concerned with violence that might befall them are already aware. The rest won't give two craps.
Not the same thing.

That's like saying we don't need a Second Amendment because we have baseball bats.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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Not everyone would need to have a permit. Just enough people that fear would develop in the hearts of the homeless and they would quickly learn to behave.

You wouldn't need a high body count. If anything the body count would be lower than what it is now. There would be less crime.
You think the majority of homeless are thinking rationally? And those that are will be the ones to attack people?

Makes no sense.

# 1 No permanent homeless encampments. Period. Not for 2 days. Not for 2 hours. No tents/lean-tos you name it.

Just do a clear every night and confiscate all property not currently being carried by any individuals.

#2 start institutions again. Real psych patients need to be locked up not wandering the streets. This needs to be funded by the state or feds. Obviously LA can't pay for it all.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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Not the same thing.

That's like saying we don't need a Second Amendment because we have baseball bats.
No, that's not at all like saying that.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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Ship them back to Nevada.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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You think the majority of homeless are thinking rationally? And those that are will be the ones to attack people?

Makes no sense.

# 1 No permanent homeless encampments. Period. Not for 2 days. Not for 2 hours. No tents/lean-tos you name it.

Just do a clear every night and confiscate all property not currently being carried by any individuals.

#2 start institutions again. Real psych patients need to be locked up not wandering the streets.
I'm in favor of both of those.

But if people think they face a realistic probability of getting shot they do tend to alter their behavior. Guns definitely deter crime.

Concealed carry will keep the homeless in line.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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I'm in favor of both of those.

But if people think they face a realistic probability of getting shot they do tend to alter their behavior. Guns definitely deter crime.

Concealed carry will keep the homeless in line.
I have no problem with CC, but I honestly don't think it's going to put a significant dent in crimes committed by homeless people.

Crazy people aren't really worried about getting shot.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Guns definitely deter crime.
Yeah, ask Chicago how that's working out. This statement is blatantly false.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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Yeah, ask Chicago how that's working out. This statement is blatantly false.
Chicago has gun laws as strict as ours.
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