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I try to live in a realistic way. No one is going to take that $$ and pay off our debt. Not gonna happen. Therefore, my POV is that I'd rather have my tax dollars go towards helping the rest of the world rather than attacking it.
We can help ourselves and stop acting as the world's police force. Forget the money we spend trying to buy allies and strengthen our borders, our economy and eliminate our dependence on foreign oil as well as cheap products from overseas.
Well you know what, if you were able to actually do something about it, I would totally agree with you and vote you into office . But since you can't, I tend to agree with JustBored that they will continue pumping money into the war IN ADDITION to spending all that extra money on the food, and in that case, while I am not in favor of EITHER option, I would rather not spend to additional money on food while all that other money is already being spent.
But why are we even arguing about it. The government is going to do whatever they want anyway, in the end do we really have a say?
We are the government, too bad too many people like to think otherwise and don't exercise their right to vote. No vote, no voice!
Let's say you have a bad high school.. Now all the principals, teachers rule with an iron fist, and you decide, you know what I don't like the way the high school is run, lets replace all the principals, teachers with what was an iron fist, to a democracy.
Now at first the students are happy, yeah no more dictatorship, but now after a while, they start to resent the democracy and they can't seem to agree on anything, and while the iron fist rule was too oppressive, this new rule, can't keep the electricity on!!! At least before I had power, and food, now I have no power to cook the food I do have.. So you and a few other students band together and start killing off the teachers, along with any students that are pro the new administration. And for shock you kill random students who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...
And you just want to take all the teachers away? Who would wind up ruling the school?
The people who can't agree? Or the band of students who are killing the teachers?
...I never discuss politics...Just Bored, relax. By the way I did mention that I would not vote for Hilary Clinton, but thought that you could logically debate that a senator from our own state (Hillary or whomever) might throw a little "pork" our way, in theory, if they were in the White House. You apparently are not a Clinton supporter...my point was having your region represented in the white house might get you a little favoritism...that's all. Whoever that person was...
As for your above analogy, which I suppose was to refute my earlier Iraq comments. I'll answer your final two questions...I don't care who winds up ruling the school (or Iraq). Let them kill each other for all I care. A dictatorship will likely rise again in such an environment and might just so happen to be the only way a country like that can "run". Oh well. Then we can get back to bolstering ourselves, our economy, and our thinning army back to superpower status. And then get back to working with countries like Iraq (and other dictatorships) like we should...with diplomacy and stacks of money and guns for whomever we want to rule the place (tongue in cheek)..
Would you prefer to LI children on the streets, in unsafe shelters, their parents begging for foods from pantries whose shelves are bare, soup kitchens closing because funds were cut?
We have to get our own LI house in order before we address the needs of those off of LI -- be it Appalachia or Armenia.
As for now, there are always options here - people on Long Island would starve by choice, not from lack of food. There is always a shelter, a soup kitchen, a church to help. Most other countries would consider that a luxury. IMO, it's a shame that children around the world are dying of starvation. It should not be happening in this day and age.
There are an estimated 4,000 homeless on Long Island out of over 7 million people, an incredibly low number. When it gets too cold out, volunteers spread out searching for the homeless to convince them to head into shelters.
County Executive Steve Levy encouraged the homeless to seek temporary housing.
"It's never the case that there's no room at the inn," Levy said.
Shelters reach out to Long Island's homeless -- -- Newsday.com (broken link)
How much extra money will come out of my paycheck a year for this initiative? $25? I have compassion for the poor that weren't fortunate enough to be born here. I'd rather have my tax dollars go towards that than war. I don't support amnesty for illegals either - the best thing we can do is help others within their own countries to better the world at large.
The number of homeless will increase as fuel prices rise exponentially, as more people are laid off, and the mortgage crisis looms.
If you want to send your $25 to some 3rd world child, (who will probably be raised hating the Devil USA,) be my guest -- it's your choice. But I don't support the government mandating me or you to do so. I'd sooner walk into the market, buy $25 worth of food products and give them to my local food pantry.
Go out and check out the homeless shelters and tell me you would want anyone you loved living in one.
Have compassion on your immediate neighbors; anything can happen and someday you might be in need of their compassion.
BTW -- weren't you the OP on the high price of groceries on LI thread?
I have compassion for everyone. But seeing how children live in other countries, I feel for them and think the world as a whole should help.
It's kind of narrowminded to think the rest of the world is raised hating the USA. Everywhere I've traveled I've been welcomed with open arms and interest. Other countries were ready to help us out after Katrina (even though we didn't take it) International response to Hurricane Katrina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My family was in a homeless shelter for a short period of time (only a few days) when I was younger. I was glad that I was even availed that option in tough times, rather than having no choice and sleeping on the street. Maybe that's why I think we should help.
Don't assume I don't have compassion for my fellow Americans simply because I also do for non-Americans. I help run the United Way drive at my place of employment every year, and a matching donation comes out of my paycheck weekly.
edit - and yes, I was the OP on the high price of groceries post - what does that have to do with this?
The number of homeless will increase as fuel prices rise exponentially, as more people are laid off, and the mortgage crisis looms.
If you want to send your $25 to some 3rd world child, (who will probably be raised hating the Devil USA,) be my guest -- it's your choice. But I don't support the government mandating me or you to do so. I'd sooner walk into the market, buy $25 worth of food products and give them to my local food pantry.
Go out and check out the homeless shelters and tell me you would want anyone you loved living in one.
Have compassion on your immediate neighbors; anything can happen and someday you might be in need of their compassion.
BTW -- weren't you the OP on the high price of groceries on LI thread?
OhBeehave I believe the poster's point of supporting non US charity does not mean they are non-supportive of US based efforts. He chooses to support globally. Some could argue that helps locally.
The US already supports so much of the third world both through handouts, military protection, outsourcing jobs, etc.
I mean, look at India and China...economies built on the back of America. What's the result...the prices for everything are shooting up b/c these people are building, consuming. etc. like fiends. They had jack 10 years ago.
Please, America and Americans are the most generous poeple on the planet. But there comes a time when enough is enough. We need to help ourselves, let the others help themselves.
Look at Myanmar...we were the first there and those pr**ks didn't even let us in. Should have said, ok...have fun, deal with it yourself.
Out of all the crappy things the govt tries to do with our tax dollars, feeding starving children is something I can get behind. And it doesn't mean that I don't support people right here in the US. It can go both ways. Maybe I have a overly positive outlook of the world working together and helping each other out when in need.
...I never discuss politics...Just Bored, relax. By the way I did mention that I would not vote for Hilary Clinton, but thought that you could logically debate that a senator from our own state (Hillary or whomever) might throw a little "pork" our way, in theory, if they were in the White House. You apparently are not a Clinton supporter...my point was having your region represented in the white house might get you a little favoritism...that's all. Whoever that person was...
As for your above analogy, which I suppose was to refute my earlier Iraq comments. I'll answer your final two questions...I don't care who winds up ruling the school (or Iraq). Let them kill each other for all I care. A dictatorship will likely rise again in such an environment and might just so happen to be the only way a country like that can "run". Oh well. Then we can get back to bolstering ourselves, our economy, and our thinning army back to superpower status. And then get back to working with countries like Iraq (and other dictatorships) like we should...with diplomacy and stacks of money and guns for whomever we want to rule the place (tongue in cheek)..
Relaxed =P
Wish the world ran in "theory", we would've won the war by now ...
Shrug, we made the mess, we should clean it up..
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Originally Posted by GCGuy
The US already supports so much of the third world both through handouts, military protection, outsourcing jobs, etc.
I mean, look at India and China...economies built on the back of America. What's the result...the prices for everything are shooting up b/c these people are building, consuming. etc. like fiends. They had jack 10 years ago.
Please, America and Americans are the most generous poeple on the planet. But there comes a time when enough is enough. We need to help ourselves, let the others help themselves.
Look at Myanmar...we were the first there and those pr**ks didn't even let us in. Should have said, ok...have fun, deal with it yourself.
I think there were "strings" in the Myanmar aid when we first offered ? even so we offered millions and millions!
we only offered China 500k.. go figure..
And Just because I don't want to be forced to give my money to feed third world country doesn't mean I lack compassion!
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. But since you can't, I tend to agree with JustBored that they will continue pumping money into the war IN ADDITION to spending all that extra money on the food, and in that case, while I am not in favor of EITHER option, I would rather not spend to additional money on food while all that other money is already being spent.
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