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Old 04-25-2019, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Stony Brook
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It's not about what this person does; union rules made this possible, and I've said more than once the unions run NY State. Multiple this by thousands of times, and that's why NY State is so broke and dysfunctional. They've got pols at the throat, so leaving is the only relief available for Mr. and Ms. Taxpayer.

This is the reality, whether you think this is terrific or terrible.

Yes, nobody would turn down cash like that.
The union would WELCOME more employees, it's more $ for them with union dues. So stop with the argument it's the unions fault. It's the idiots that run the LIRR. MANAGEMENT!!!
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:02 PM
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The union would WELCOME more employees, it's more $ for them with union dues. So stop with the argument it's the unions fault. It's the idiots that run the LIRR. MANAGEMENT!!!

It IS the unions fault since they're fighting tooth and nails for common sense reforms, like eliminating OT for pension calculation, and placing a cap on OT.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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It IS the unions fault since they're fighting tooth and nails for common sense reforms, like eliminating OT for pension calculation, and placing a cap on OT.
I take it you mean they are fighting AGAINST reforms. Of course they are, as it doesn't benefit them or their members...at least until something goes bankrupt and everyone loses their pension. But in the case of the LIRR and MTA that would be decades away.
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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I’m curious if that $461k includes the benefits too?

That couldn’t possibly be just pay.

Bennies don't change by how much your check is each week or whatever. They are set via other means.


When you work OT (assuming you get paid and aren't management or whatever), do your health and other benefits change from that extra money?
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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My last 3 yrs because of administrative incompetence in hiring staff I so called "padded" my pension. Only a lazy fool wouldn't. I worked an avg of 15 hrs OT a week. It sucked then but it's great now.


Mr. Thomas Caputo benefitted greatly from his jaw dropping overtime. Put in his papers and because pension is calculated on three highest paid years he's getting a nice retirement on $162k per year.




https://nypost.com/2019/04/24/lirr-r...s-his-pension/
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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With seniority you get first dibs on all overtime assignments regardless of your specialty position. So most likely for all that OT he wasn't working his measurement job, but was probably the guy sitting in the truck.
Exactly! OT was so good and ripe for pickings the guy often ditched his regular job and snapped up OT bids using his seniority to beat out others.


"As chief measurement operator, Caputo’s job was to run the “track-geometry car,” which examines the rails for defects.
But the agency admitted he didn’t even log in most of his overtime hours doing his regular job — he mostly used his seniority to get first dibs on “opportunities” in other areas.
Thanks to the terms of his union contract, Caputo was able to pull rank to grab extra hours in roles including driver, track welder, track patroller and mechanic, the MTA said."


https://nypost.com/2019/04/24/lirr-r...s-his-pension/


OT should be opened up to anyone with proper background/qualifications; not just based upon seniority. Give somebody else a chance instead of being greedy.
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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Not really sure what you’re asking.

When in a union and work overtime yes your benefits are increased too.

A lot of times these numbers being posted are the entire benefit package. Meaning wages, healthcare, vacation pay, annuity, pension etc. The entire package.



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Bennies don't change by how much your check is each week or whatever. They are set via other means.


When you work OT (assuming you get paid and aren't management or whatever), do your health and other benefits change from that extra money?
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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Not really sure what you’re asking.

When in a union and work overtime yes your benefits are increased too.

A lot of times these numbers being posted are the entire benefit package. Meaning wages, healthcare, vacation pay, annuity, pension etc. The entire package.


Everything am reading refers to *PAY*, not total compensation, and that is where difference lies.


If someone asks what was/is your total compensation for a certain period, that normally includes all benefits and so forth. Total salary including OT and other cash paid is another matter.


All employees have two numbers attached to themselves; their total compensation package, *and* wages. A position may list annual salary of $60k, but on paper (and especially for tax purposes) that number is likely to be far greater for the employer.


Only things that really change by earing more money each pay period are FICA and other taxes, any savings/retirement deductions assuming they aren't capped or set at a certain number, ditto for healthcare deductions. Otherwise you don't get more or a better health plan, extra PTO or whatever benefits just because you made more for a pay period.
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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Ironically same ole as this time last year.


https://nypost.com/2018/03/02/mta-bl...-overtime-pay/
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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The union would WELCOME more employees, it's more $ for them with union dues. So stop with the argument it's the unions fault. It's the idiots that run the LIRR. MANAGEMENT!!!


When you get down to things LIRR can't do much without union's consent because under federal laws their workers can strike and thus aren't covered by NYS's Taylor laws.


OTOH New York City Transit workers aren't allowed to strike and lo/behold their wages and OT are lower than LIRR. Coincidence?
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