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Old 02-08-2014, 10:59 PM
 
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Special ed costs per student are not $56K, more in the high $20K's.
please reference: Carol Kellermann: Stretching New York's Public Education Dollar
(this was dated 2012, costs are even higher today).
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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please reference: Carol Kellermann: Stretching New York's Public Education Dollar
(this was dated 2012, costs are even higher today).

She indicates some districts exceed $40K per year which is correct, I am sure many of the smaller districts with an enrollment of 100 are above that number.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:26 AM
 
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Actually there WILL be a problem in the future, as many won't be able to pay their taxes, along with new buyers won't buy houses here, because of the high taxes. Its a time bomb waiting to explode.
It's like I said, I will have to work longer, so my kids' teachers can retire in their 50s. I love my work, but do I want to work until 65 or later, while those who were in the right unions retired 10-15 years earlier? With full health benefits to boot... I'll have to rely what ever Obamacare morphs into with it's expensive premiums.

You're right, though, as we hear about such factors as huge state funding cuts for next year, I expect the next tax increase to be brutal. Color me a pessimist, buy my property taxes are on track to double from what I first started paying when I moved to my house 10 years ago. For the last four years, my property tax bill has far exceeded my monthly mortgage payment. Seemingly, these onerous tax increases show no sign of stopping and stabilizing or even slowing the relentless climb because the politicians, school administrators, librarians and unions don't know when enough is enough. With that in mind, it's impossible to budget 5 or 10 years out, because you know the property tax bill will be painful, you just don't know how bloody it will really be.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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From what I've heard from the Superintendent of North Babylon Schools (Pat Godek), our school tax dollars don't necessarily stay on LI. We're subsidizing upstate schools as well. If our tax dollars stayed here just for LI schools, I don't think we'd be in quite as bad a mess as we now are.

That aside, NY State declaring bankruptcy is the solution.
Every budget meeting I attended focused on Long Island not getting it's fair share of state funding while hardly a word is mentioned about the 500 pound gorilla in the room, teachers salaries and benefits. State aid would help but it won't go far in addressing the real problems we have with escalating costs.
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Every budget meeting I attended focused on Long Island not getting it's fair share of state funding while hardly a word is mentioned about the 500 pound gorilla in the room, teachers salaries and benefits. State aid would help but it won't go far in addressing the real problems we have with escalating costs.
So true. A good first step would be to completely change the pay scales for new hires to something realistic. Like what the police departments have done. The problem is there is no 'one' union to negotiate with thanks to our outdated fragmented school district system on LI
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:46 PM
 
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It's like I said, I will have to work longer, so my kids' teachers can retire in their 50s. I love my work, but do I want to work until 65 or later, while those who were in the right unions retired 10-15 years earlier? With full health benefits to boot... I'll have to rely what ever Obamacare morphs into with it's expensive premiums.

You're right, though, as we hear about such factors as huge state funding cuts for next year, I expect the next tax increase to be brutal. Color me a pessimist, buy my property taxes are on track to double from what I first started paying when I moved to my house 10 years ago. For the last four years, my property tax bill has far exceeded my monthly mortgage payment. Seemingly, these onerous tax increases show no sign of stopping and stabilizing or even slowing the relentless climb because the politicians, school administrators, librarians and unions don't know when enough is enough. With that in mind, it's impossible to budget 5 or 10 years out, because you know the property tax bill will be painful, you just don't know how bloody it will really be.

In the same boat as you. My property taxes have gone up almost 65% in the last 4 years. I am sure a lot of this has to do with grievances etc..., but it just seems strange that no one is willing to address the problem... Are we on our own?
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:45 AM
 
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So true. A good first step would be to completely change the pay scales for new hires to something realistic. Like what the police departments have done.
Not quite. NCPD has lowered the entry-level but they reach a higher level in a shorter period of time than in previous contracts.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:27 AM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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Color me a pessimist, buy my property taxes are on track to double from what I first started paying when I moved to my house 10 years ago.
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My property taxes have gone up almost 65% in the last 4 years.
really?

mine has went up about 35% overall in 10 years. I only grieved my taxes once. I believe the school budget voting passed every year except 1 yr in my area as I recall.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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really?

mine has went up about 35% overall in 10 years. I only grieved my taxes once. I believe the school budget voting passed every year except 1 yr in my area as I recall.
The pension costs are not included in the school budgets people vote on anyway.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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From what I've heard from the Superintendent of North Babylon Schools (Pat Godek), our school tax dollars don't necessarily stay on LI. We're subsidizing upstate schools as well. If our tax dollars stayed here just for LI schools, I don't think we'd be in quite as bad a mess as we now are.

That aside, NY State declaring bankruptcy is the solution.
That's the common strategy used to deflect the blame away from soaring pension and benefits costs. If the super in NB is using that argument as a first resort and ignoring the pensions, then you can bet he will not fight hard for the interests of taxpayers.
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