[olecapt]

Even some of you locals claim it is a "BAD" school system.

Kindly define that for me. "BAD" as in ?

The LA school system is significantly worse than Las Vegas on a number of criteria...anything dealing with academics for instance...or meeting NCLB criteria.

The Palo Verde School system is generally considered a very good one.

PV is however a different school system only because it was stripped from LA years ago in a clearly socio=economic/racist manuever to keep the lily white suburb free of the urban LA one. So we move it back to LA...does that make the Palo Verde schools stink?

In general the high socio-economic neighborhoods have schools that fit the neighborhood. If you made a district in Summerlin it would be very highly ranked in the US...or Henderson though it would not be quite as good.

So same schools, same teachers, goes from "BAD" to "GOOD" by changing how it is administered.

Does that make sense?

[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Even some of you locals claim it is a "BAD" school system.

Kindly define that for me. "BAD" as in ?

The LA school system is significantly worse than Las Vegas on a number of criteria...anything dealing with academics for instance...or meeting NCLB criteria.

The Palo Verde School system is generally considered a very good one.

PV is however a different school system only because it was stripped from LA years ago in a clearly socio=economic/racist manuever to keep the lily white suburb free of the urban LA one. So we move it back to LA...does that make the Palo Verde schools stink?

In general the high socio-economic neighborhoods have schools that fit the neighborhood. If you made a district in Summerlin it would be very highly ranked in the US...or Henderson though it would not be quite as good.

So same schools, same teachers, goes from "BAD" to "GOOD" by changing how it is administered.

Does that make sense?

When I say bad, I am just generalizing the district. I suppose I shouldn't do that, considering how I've reacted to other people that have done the same thing in this thread. That being said, in standardized test scores and high school graduation rate the CCSD is one of the worst in the nation. On a generalized level I don't think you can argue that. Of course it is an extremely large district, and I feel that the majority of not-so-good to average schools bring down the minority but still somewhat plentiful good schools. As I disclaimered in one of my previous responses, I am extremely happy with my son's school and there are quite a few others that I would be happy to send hime to. When one looks at the graduation rate of Rexburg, ID or League City, TX as well as the percentage of young adults that end up continuing and furthering their education, however, I don't think that anyone can argue the discrepancies betwee places like that and Vegas, in general terms. If you were to break up the district into subsections via socio-economic status that would be different. Unfortunately we do not have the tools to do so, so we must work with what we are given.

[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by Mau-12

It's all good, misunderstanding and overreaction on both parts.. I think I'll probably be moving in a year though... not because I don't like Vegas anymore, but because I love the ocean, and I've always wanted to live near the beach I'm thinking Fort Lauderdale Florida is looking pretty good as far as crime rate, cost of living, culture and nightlife

I like the ocean as well, but I would never move to Florida. As others have noted, FT. Lauderdale has a higher crime rate per capita than Las Vegas does, as well as a higher cost of living. I hope you don't plan on raising a family there either, as the schools in Ft. Lauderdale are horrendous according to this link. Greatschools.net Search: ft lauderdale

[dynimagelv]

Actually, I tend to agree somewhat with Daddys.....even tho I do truly believe that MUCH of the success or failure of the schools can be attributed to parenting.

5 years ago my wife and I suddenly "inherited" her 5th grade g'son...He had been living with his aunt in Bullhead City....his grades were SOLID D's D minus and F...he did manage a C in PE.

After one semester here, he had solid C's and 1 B minus....I think that is attributed solely to the fact that OUR schoold district doesnt teach 'crap'...in Bullhead, he wasn't preforming. here he was...at THAT point the only true variable was the school district....

NOW....after seeing his FIRST report card here, we had a .....meeting of the minds, and he learned that I didn't give a crap if he EVER played basketball or football again in his lifetime.....ANYTHING that he desired in life....i.e. B'Ball F'Ball a car...a girlfriend on ANYthing more then the law requires would be given based upon how far above a B he got....anything below a B on any report card and he got NOTHING.

Stupidest thing I ever said to him....hes all A's and a couple of B's and has maintained that from 6th grade ubtil the end of his sophmore year....had to let him play ALL sports [and I HATE sports] had to buy him a car....

This is gettin expensive.....but I don't give a LOT of credit to the school system.....I have dealt with SEVERAL of the teachers and adminstrator that were hard pressed to put two words together.....as one put it....We wantcha to come in and CONVERSATE with us.

[kimba01]

Raising kids in FL in the beach areas will DEFINITELY get them seeing some butts!!! And other such anatomy!

To Dynimagelv: I think you don't give yourselves enough credit! Maybe you and your wife are the difference!

[BUGBULLY]

Originally Posted by kimba01

Raising kids in FL in the beach areas will DEFINITELY get them seeing some butts!!! And other such anatomy!

That's what I was saying when they mentioned the cocktail waitress. If I take my daughter to the beach, the lake or a pool, she is going to see more T & A there then in a casino!

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by kimba01

To Dynimagelv: I think you don't give yourselves enough credit! Maybe you and your wife are the difference!

LOL....you misread my ramblings Kim......actually we DO take credit because we REQUIRE good grades.....and we are not afraid to assign our OWN homework if the schools can't be bothered...... BUT the quality of education in own school district.....sux...for want of a better word......

More pay isn't the answer....teacher accountability is....give the pay raises to the GOOD teachers and can the bad ones.....cut the hell out of the "Administrators" salaries AND staffing and put the savings into something Avant Garde....such as BOOKS.......

REWARD the good teachers [and they ARE out there] and dump the bad ones.


better **** fore I give myself a heart attack

[kimba01]

Originally Posted by dynimagelv

LOL....you misread my ramblings Kim......actually we DO take credit because we REQUIRE good grades.....and we are not afraid to assign our OWN homework if the schools can't be bothered...... BUT the quality of education in own school district.....sux...for want of a better word......

More pay isn't the answer....teacher accountability is....give the pay raises to the GOOD teachers and can the bad ones.....cut the hell out of the "Administrators" salaries AND staffing and put the savings into something Avant Garde....such as BOOKS.......

REWARD the good teachers [and they ARE out there] and dump the bad ones.


better **** fore I give myself a heart attack

Well, I applaud you! And don't have a heart attack--we need you!!

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by dynimagelv

LOL....you misread my ramblings Kim......actually we DO take credit because we REQUIRE good grades.....and we are not afraid to assign our OWN homework if the schools can't be bothered...... BUT the quality of education in own school district.....sux...for want of a better word......

More pay isn't the answer....teacher accountability is....give the pay raises to the GOOD teachers and can the bad ones.....cut the hell out of the "Administrators" salaries AND staffing and put the savings into something Avant Garde....such as BOOKS.......

REWARD the good teachers [and they ARE out there] and dump the bad ones.


better **** fore I give myself a heart attack

Nope..don't work that way...the troubled schools all have the same problem.. Transiency. The poor schools get up to 60 and 70% transiency. That simply says that 60% or 70% of the student at day 180 are different than the students at day one. In a good school it will be less than 20%. So what if you are a great teacher. 70% of your score comes from students taught by someone else .

The major school system strategy is, in fact, to stamp out most originality and adjustability. The exact same material taught in each school class each day. The intent is that the student gets the right lesson even if he or she jumps around. It is all synchronized. That of course is a killer to a teacher. Prevents adopting to the need of the particular class. Or sending most of the class off on some side trip so you can deal with a few troubled students on the side. And god help a bright kid...doomed to being borted to death.

[kimba01]

[quote=Mau-12;3791140]Maybe I shouldn't have said horrible, but I think it's pretty bad, and having a fiance who's a guidance counselor here, I get to hear 1st hand horror stories on a daily basis.


Guidance counselors are generally going to only deal with troubled kids and hear all the horror stories. But, she is only in one school district, my thought is that she would hear horror stories in any district. (She probably wouldn't be able to sleep at night working in the Detroit schools) I think it is kind of like talking to a heart dr. and having them say all hearts are bad. We don't go to a heart dr. usually unless we are having a problem.

I give her kudos for working with the kids and hopefully she is making a difference in their lives.