[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by Mau-12

What exactly is disproven?

It's not bleak and sensationalistic it's just reality... There's growing crime, the schools are poor and they are becoming dangerous, two kids were shot in like one week apart from each other a few months ago. Bringing up the fact that other big cities have problems doesn't make Vegas's go away. Plus I wouldn't call Vegas a "big city" like many posters have.

Where did Columbine happen? What about Virginia Tech? Again, I'm not saying that we don't have our share of problems. I'm saying that you are blowing things out of proportion with respect to what is happening across the country. You cite no sources for your claims, and yet you speak as though you are an authority based on what some "entertainment" network news broadcast tells you. As I said before, original thought is your friend. Do some independent research on Vegas as well as most other MSA's and get back to me. By the way, I would label a MSA with almost 2mm people as a rather large city.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

What year are we in now?

So find me some more recent stats. You have not cited anything except some newspaper article. Who knows how accurate that is. Cite some third party sources and their statistics, such as I have.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

Do I need first hand experience being lit on fire to know it's not the best thing in the world?

If you were going to describe in detail why it was a bad thing and how it felt I would say yes. The fact is that you neither get your info from a independent third party statistical source or from first hand knowledge, which pretty much gives you zero credibility.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

I wouldn't. Heres a map of registered sex offenders, the red sqaures are the ones who rape kids. I see an awful lot of red squares. How many red squares in your neighborhood?

Actually those red squares are for all offenses against kids, not just rape and molestation. That could include quite a few offenses that involve no contact at all. Not excusing the offenders by any means, just trying to point out your rabble rousing tactics once again. FWIW, there are no red squares in my neighborhood.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

What are you never going to take your kids down there? There's alot of fun stuff for kids on the strip, NY NY rollercoaster, fun and games (is that still there? lol) Circus Circus, top of the stratosphere etc...

I actually do occasionally take my son down there. When I do he is under my supervision. We do not walk up and down the street, we drive to where we are going and park. As a parent it is my responsibility, not anyone else's, to decide what my child will be exposed to and react accordingly.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

There's a few standalone movie theaters but they kind of suck except for village square... And every time I go bowling I go to a casino. I never said there weren't restaurants located outside of casinos. I live in Summerlin.

Being that you live in Summerlin you should realize that there is much more to Vegas than hookers, drugs, and casinos. Yet you insist on making it seem like the current Vegas is some seedy lounge unless you get out of town to the mountains. What exactly is wrong with the standalone movie theaters? You make the choice to go to the casino theater, you deal with what that entails. If you feel that the standalone is not up to par then that is your's to deal with.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

Are you saying these crimes aren't really happening? The media is fabricating these stories to make more money? Come on , when local news breaks they cover it, simple as that, if someone gets shot they tell us about it. It's not a conspiracy, it's not the media that makes Vegas look bad, it's the crime and negative things that happen in Vegas that make Vegas look bad. If you think crime is going down you must be delusional.

Geez, for the billionth time, BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS WITH SOME STATS!!! CITE YOUR SOURCES!! I DON'T WANT YOUR PERCEPTIONS, I WANT SOME ACCURACY AND ACCOUNTABILITY!! Obivously they are not fabricating these stories, but what they are doing is called selective reporting. For the love of god, someone with a newsroom background has backed me up on the media's tactics and yet you still refuse to acknowledge that simple media mantra, "if it bleeds it leads". Sensationalism gets ratings, ratings get advertising dollars. What do you not understand about that? Let me ask you this, do you have any idea what is going on in Zimbabwe right now regarding the DMC and the National Unity Government? Of course not, because actual knowledge and awareness do not sell. Fear and panic do. Watch a foreign (Canadian or British) newscast sometime. It might do you a world of good. Just so you can understand it a little better, I have included a link that has crime stats per capita as of 2006. United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Mau-12

What year are we in?

Your attempts to be smart are pretty pathetic. Common sense dictates that stats of this magnitude take time to compile. How long does it take for the census bureau to release their findings? Like I said, you find me 2007 numbers (you won't as they have not been released yet) that contradict the EVIDENCE that I've put forth.

Originally Posted by Mau-12

Also, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be crying foul if listed a bunch of positive statistics about Vegas... Odd it's only when the numbers paint a picture you don't like, then all of a sudden the statistics are biased, skewed, and irrelavent.

Actually, if you were posting inaccurate information about the positives of Vegas, such as 7000 people moving here a month or something like that, I absolutely would call you out on it. Believe me or don't, I honestly could care less. We are not in total disagreement, I could think of a couple of places I'd rather raise my son but that DOES NOT mean that Vegas is as bad as you would like to make it out to be. If you would like to point out some of the negatives of the Las Vegas valley, using accurate information and citing your sources, then I have no problem with that. You notice I did not mention the heat, because it is hot as hell here and I will not deny that. I've also pointed out to a couple of people that if you come here with no marketable skills or education, you will likely not find what you are looking for here. 10 years ago you could come out here with no experience of any kind and find something and work your way up. Not so anymore, mainly because the population has doubled. I will always be fair and balanced in my analysis of the statistical evidence regarding Las Vegas. If any of the claims you made were true, I would concede in a heartbeat. They, however, are not. Therefore you are fighting a losing cause on this one. Opinion and perception is not fact, and can be manipulated so easily that one should never depend on them as such.

[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by Mau-12

Yes, sadly there are problems everywhere you go, that's just a fact of life... But there certain places that have more problems than others and that should be taken into consideration.
You can raise kids in Vegas who turn out to be great and successful people there's no doubt about that. Some of my best friends have lived here all their lives, but it's a drastically different Vegas from when they grew up here.
Vegas just wouldn't be my first pick to raise a family, that's just my personal opinion, but I base that opinion on two things: What I value personally, and on facts... Facts that many people on this board apparently choose to dismiss, ignore or refuse to accept for some reason. The facts are, there is a growing crime rate and it IS an issue. The Vegas school system is not good, we rank in the bottom tier in almost every category. We have one of the highest, if not THE highest high school drop out rate in the country. There ARE gangs and violence in many of the schools. Teen suicide rates ARE a huge problem.

I'm not trying to scare you or make you paranoid about moving here, I'm just telling it like it is... the good and the bad. Just do some research, and make sure you move to a nice area if you can, and possibly enroll your kids in a private school if you can afford it. Either way I hope every thing works out for you and wish your family the best in Las Vegas.

Cite your sources. Perception is not fact.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by Mau-12

Oh I'm so sorry... There can be no "CONS" when it comes to Las Vegas only PROS I forgot... Please forgive me for having the audacity to say anything less than enthusiastic praises toward the flawless utopia that is Las Vegas...

There is lots that needs fixing in Las Vegas. Unfortunately you are unaware of where those needs are. You therefore simply display your appalling lack of understamding of the city where you live. That is why it is neccessary to respond in a strong manner. So people don't believe the garbage you put out.

Oh yeah? Where in Clark County does it take twenty minutes to get a gallon of milk? I've lived all over the valley and have never had to go far for anything, I think it's a relatively safe bet to assume that most people who move to Las Vegas won't be burdened with having to go on a vast expedition to get basic necessities.

Don't know much about geography do you? Log Cabin for instance. Ohare at Fort Apache. Iron Moutain at Jones. Almost anywhere north of Grand Teton. There are lots more in the SW. Be hard to do it from Lone Mountain and Fort Apache.

Oh it's more likely than you think, and it happens to be reality.

ReviewJournal.com - News - Nevada's youth suicide rate among highest in nation

"Seventy-eight percent of Nevada's youth suicides occur in Clark County."
reviewjournal.com -- News: Nevada gets grant for suicide prevention efforts

"Las Vegas is the suicide capital of America"
The Suicide Capital Of America, They Come To Las Vegas Not To Gamble But To Kill Themselves - CBS News

And those reasons mainly being that they prove you wrong... You're quite a character, are you saying those people who comprise the statistics didn't die by suicide? It's all a conspiracy to make Vegas look bad?
"Cite a source! but don't cite a source that validates what you say!" lol..

Let me refresh your memory. What you said precisely was..

"Vegas is number one in the nation for teenage suicide."

You just quoted a whole mess of stuff. Absolutely none of which says...

"Vegas is number one in the nation for teenage suicide."

So basically you admit you were wrong don't you?

In fact Nevada and Las Vegas have had a long term problem with suicide. Nevada has been in the top few states since 1929. There are papers on the subject. The primarly age group that has a problem in Nevada is the aged.

We certainly could do better on suicide prevention among the young but we are not the worst in the US..

So again you are wrong.

Please enlighten me where I said Las Vegas differs from all these places?

Again, you're creating some artificial argument like I'm saying these states are any better, as if saying other states are bad doesn't make the Las Vegas public school system a complete joke. But since you mentioned schools in the southwest...

So it is your opinion that there is no suitable place to live in the SW? West of the Missippi? Outside of New Hampshire? You simply think Las Vegas and every where else sucks? You best not have children.

Here's a ranking of the best public schools in America
America's Top Public High Schools | Newsweek Best High Schools | Newsweek.com

Odd you mentioned California, because it has 8 public schools in the top 100. Where does Nevada rank in the top 100? (Spoiler: It doesn't)

Vegas also has one of the highest high school dropout rates in the country.

There are a number of Nevada schools in the list which purports to represent the top five percent. Of those schools Green Valley is the only Las Vegas school. But by innumberable measurements GV is about the 7th or 8th best school in Las Vegas and there are another five that are very close. That would indicate that the Las Vegas high schools in fact perform at quite a reasonable level. I would not be surprised if Ad Tech is not in fact a top 100 school. If not it is very close.

There is a dropout problem. That needs work. But that does not in any way make an inferior school system Just represents a problem we should try to fix. Again - The school system needs work and more money. It is however a substantially successfully one that is better than many of the larger school systems. It is about 14th or fifteenth of the big schools systems. Much better than NY or Chicago or LA or Detroit or Cleveland or Buffalo..

Needs work sure. Bottom of the list...no way.

It's not an issue? Do you own a television set capable of receiving local news channels? Tell you what , if in the next three days someone doesn't get either shot,stabbed,robbed,raped,throws a baby in a trash can, I'll give you $100.
More stats:
"Las Vegas ranked 4th most dangerous in overall metropolitan areas."
City Crime Rankings by Population Group

"Las Vegas #1 in the nation for auto theft"
Las Vegas leads nation in auto theft rate - Apr. 24, 2007

But crime is not an issue though...


Many young people come here for the glitz and glamor of the strip from all the media and reality show crap they see on TV. You don't think that's true?

Right, but it still kind of sucks.

O.k, I guess it was all in my head when I was at PT's pub on Nellis and Cheyenne and two guys barged in with shotguns and robbed it...

There is crime in Las Vegas. There is crime in most big cities. Where does Las Vegas rank among those ciities...in the middle third. And that does not credit Vegas for the continuous transient population of partying tourists.

MQ and the successor CQ simply make up a number that differs from the Feds so they can sell reports to turkeys...you buy one? You can easily access the federal numbers and see where Las Vegas lies. And check out Henderson. It pretty well shows you were nicer Vegas neighborhoods come out. Very well actually.

Sure we could do better on crime. Spend more and it would get better. But you know it is simply good enough that there is no hue and cry to increase taxes and make it better.

You should stay out of places like VP bars. Magnets for armed robbers.

[olecapt]

Some one raised the question of why people knocking Las Vegas get jumped on.

I am certainly a major participant in such events. But I never jump on anybody for knocking Las Vegas. If it is bad in Vegas it should be reported so that those here can identify and try and fix the problem and so that those coming are aware of what they are getting into.

But that is not a license to spread innuendos, falsehoods, incorrect facts or flat lies about the City.

There is enough wrong to report the bad stuff. You need not make it up.

And when you do I, for one, am going to jump all over you. And I hope I have lots of company.

I know a whole lot about crime and schools in Las Vegas mostly as a result of participating in this list. Find out at least a little before you jump in with "worst in the US" positions. It ain't. No where near. Search the old threads. Read the references. Then jump in.

If not be prepared to be smite about the head and shoulders.

Truth is a very powerful weapon.

[airics]

i would think the dropout rate could have something to do with the job issue, at 18, maybe they were making huge $$ valet parking or clubbing.. wouldnt suprise me...

[Mau-12]

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

Cite your sources. Perception is not fact.

Oh dear God...

O.k look I cited my sources, This article: "http://www.lvrj.com/news/9975431.html" explains how the crime rate is growing in las Vegas, violent crime jumped up 32% from 06 to 07, The journalist refrences an FBI statistical report, Sorry I don't have the official FBI report the journalist got his numbers from, I guess that means everything in the article is a lie right? The review journal published this fake article to make Vegas look bad? If you really believe that then you are beyond ridiculous. If you want to bury your head in the sand and deny the truth of the article, I guess that's your prerogative. You can always call the Sheriff and police spokesman who were interviewed in the article, and ask them if the interview actually took place lol... but then who knows, maybe the Sheriff is in on the conspiracy with the Review Journal to make fake articles citing fake stats?

More info about the school system:

90 percent fail end of semester math exam
"http://www.lvrj.com/news/17044911.html"

Nevada ranked 45th out of 50 for per pupil spending
"http://www.lvrj.com/news/17255649.html"

Expulsion referrals highest to date
"http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/2008/apr/14/3896/"

Clark County's over crowded schools
"http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5674731&nav=168XGVMV"

We have a poor school system, is it the worst? NO. Is it bad? Yes.

[WOHR]

I think the "I hate it, so I must share it and everyone must think like me" view is what drives us all nuts here. I find some of the negative information useful when it is presented honestly not crammed down your throat. Nobody likes to be put down.
I especially do not like the bashing of people who choose to raise their children here. I am a good mom and I too also have a lot of "common sense." What the heck kind of comment is that anyways? What because we choose to live here, we lack the ability to judge right from wrong? So now are children are flawed because of it? We must be the most horrible parents in the world
Someday you'll be a parent too, and you will understand that your comment was off.

[airics]

i dont have kids so i am not knowledgeable in this area, but i just read from the 90% fail post.. that there are only about 180 school days? doesnt seem correct, in ohio, school from august - june..... is it different in nevada

[airics]

rep for daddy, olecapt, and wohr.....

[AA702]

What I find in common with those who choose to bash Las Vegas is they do not want others to have fortune and happiness in this city because maybe they have not found what they are looking for here, and have a lot of bitterness toward others.