06-09-2015, 04:39 AM
Location: Seymour TN
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My parents in south Knoxville and us in Seymour recently had the same problem....bought an antenna and got no channels with it; exchanged it for a better antenna, put it in the attic and still got no channels. We are on a hill and my parents are in more of a flat area. Best Buy has a chart of what channels we should be picking up with a simple antenna. Does anyone know why it doesn't work?
06-09-2015, 07:10 AM
Location: Sullivan County, Tennessee
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Presumably these are fully digital TV receivers. If these TV receivers have recently been used to view cable channels then be sure to go into the MENU of the receiver and change from "cable" to "antenna" or something similar. TV stations transmit in a TV standard called ATSC and cable companies use a standard called QAM and these are not compatible. The TV receivers may not automatically recognize both without changing the input mode.
Also, cable channels and off-air channel frequencies are not the same except for 2-13. Most over the air broadcasts are now on UHF channels but two stations in Knoxville are on VHF, 7 and 10.
Here are coverage maps (see Knoxville, TN):
Archived Maps of All Full-Service Digital Television Stations Authorized by the FCC
06-09-2015, 04:42 PM
Location: Seymour TN
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Thank you Jim...I'll let my husband analyze the maps. Yeah we switched over to antenna. Can get some sound but no picture.
06-10-2015, 09:24 AM
Location: The Conterminous United States
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06-11-2015, 05:21 AM
Location: Seymour TN
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Yeah we have a "smart TV", we bought Roku. Guess we are not giving up Dish just yet.
06-11-2015, 08:20 AM
Location: Sullivan County, Tennessee
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
NJDevil
Yeah we have a "smart TV", we bought Roku. Guess we are not giving up Dish just yet.
From what I was aware, the Roku devices only provide a streaming interface between ethernet Internet sources and a TV. I was not aware of them selling complete receivers with displays. What brand (and relative age) of TV are you using with the Roku?
Reason I ask, all the off-air tuners in different brands of digital TV's are "not created equal" in my own experience and by comments of others. Back in 2007 I bought a 19" Element to use mostly moving around to the deck and rear porch. We are on a high ridge and can see all the local TV towers 20 miles away. The tuner in the Element would pixilate or total ignore many of the broadcast stations using a compact antenna. It still had problem with pixilation (or no reception on some channels) when connected to a fixed fringe area antenna system. I acquired a Samsung "smart TV" in 2014 (a 5500 series as I recall) and the tuner in it is really great. I can even get solid reception on WLOS from Asheville and their transmitter is about 80 miles to the south on Mt. Pisgah. TV tuners are really a case of "you get what you pay for".
The reason that so many digital TV tuners are crummy is based on economics and demographics. The economics come into play due to cost issues since some of the best, most recent tuner technology is owned by LG (Zenith was bought by LG). Older tuner designs cost less to implement. The demographics come into play since it is estimated that 80-90 percent of TVs will be connected to cable or satellite and not require a particularly sensitive ATSC (over the air) tuner since they may never be connected to an antenna. Cost competition encourages crummy tuners.
Your comment about picking up sound but no picture indicates you were receiving old type analog broadcasts, not digital, in that case. Many areas still have some analog low-power translator (re-broadcasting) stations on the air. Analog transmissions actually use two transmitters within the same channel assignment and most TV receivers will pick up the sound transmission on weak channels even if the visual transmission produces nothing but snow. Digital reception is characterized by something called the "cliff effect" in that you generally have perfect reception or none at all. On very weak signals near the "cliff edge" you may see some pixilation or freezing. However, the sound is transmitted in the same data stream as the picture so if you lose one, you lose both.
06-11-2015, 11:39 AM
Location: The Conterminous United States
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jim37680
From what I was aware, the Roku devices only provide a streaming interface between ethernet Internet sources and a TV. I was not aware of them selling complete receivers with displays. What brand (and relative age) of TV are you using with the Roku?Your comment about picking up sound but no picture indicates you were receiving old type analog broadcasts, not digital, in that case. Many areas still have some analog low-power translator (re-broadcasting) stations on the air. Analog transmissions actually use two transmitters within the same channel assignment and most TV receivers will pick up the sound transmission on weak channels even if the visual transmission produces nothing but snow. Digital reception is characterized by something called the "cliff effect" in that you generally have perfect reception or none at all. On very weak signals near the "cliff edge" you may see some pixilation or freezing. However, the sound is transmitted in the same data stream as the picture so if you lose one, you lose both.
Yes, you can use the Roku but you are also going to need video service, something like Hulu Plus, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Sling TV. The latter might be worth the $20 because, other than PBS, I only watch CNN and AMC. Project Runway on Lifetime would be a nice added perk, although I can live without it, too.
Did you check the link that Jim put up for checking the kind of antenna you need? Hopefully, it is correct because I'm about to cut my cable. Driving over there right now!
I own a Playstation 3 and I'm hoping Playstation Vue will come to the area. Right now it's only in a few select cities.
Showtime will be coming to Roku and Playstation Vue in July.
06-11-2015, 08:23 PM
Location: Sullivan County, Tennessee
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
hiknapster
Did you check the link that Jim put up for checking the kind of antenna you need? Hopefully, it is correct because I'm about to cut my cable. Driving over there right now!
The link I gave only showed the FCC coverage maps on a regional scale. Much can affect specific location. NJ said they were on a hill but there may be an even bigger hill blocking the signals from Sharps Ridge, for example.
Here are the links to two popular TV signal search engines:
AntennaWeb (
AntennaWeb - Address ) is simple to use and seems to do a good job of prediction based on transmitter power, terrain topography, and elevation of the receiving antenna. They recommend the complexity of the receiving antennna system by a color code on each station.
TV Fool (
TV Fool ) is similar and yields quite a bit more details. But, the details may be a turn off to those less technically inclined.
TV Fool would appeal to Sheldon Cooper whereas the AntennaWeb would appeal to Penny.
We had Directv for nearly 20 years but we both agreed that we were paying more (and more) and enjoying it way less (way, way less). The digital local stations in TRI were also far superior to satellite SD. Just dropped it before having to do a new contract to go with HD equipment and pay a $10 HD surcharge that new customers got at no extra charge. My only regret is that we didn't drop it sooner. It wonderful to be a new customer with D... for the first year I suppose. It starts to progressively annoy thereafter. I fear I am about to start ranting....
06-12-2015, 05:08 AM
Location: Seymour TN
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Thanks guys. Yes hubby looked at the link you provided and you must be 100% correct that we are not receiving any digital transmissions. We have given up for now. We're keeping Dish and using Roku, we just reduced our Dish programming and cut our bill by $30.
06-13-2015, 06:13 PM
Location: The Conterminous United States
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Thanks guys. Yes hubby looked at the link you provided and you must be 100% correct that we are not receiving any digital transmissions. We have given up for now. We're keeping Dish and using Roku, we just reduced our Dish programming and cut our bill by $30.
I agree. I love Netflix!
I'm still trying to figure out if you have to have cable to get some shows on Hulu Plus. I know that, not that long ago, if you wanted to watch a network show, they wanted you to prove you had cable. I'm not sure if that changed. Otherwise, what is the point?
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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