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Old 06-02-2013, 08:31 AM
 
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"Talent shortage" translates into "Why can't we find people with 3 to 5 years experience developing the exact product we make here with our specific software package who will work for peanuts?" It's a joke - if companies were actually willing to train new employees and stopped weeding people out based upon absurdities such as which specific software they use, how long they've been out of work, etc. they wouldn't have any trouble finding people. Most of the time when I read articles about "talent shortages" I just wonder how long it'll be until those companies hire visa workers since they "can't find any qualified Americans." Right.

Heck, even today, I still get ads for engineering positions where the first requirement is having X number of years of experience with the specific CAD tool the company uses... because nobody can learn a new CAD tool... crud like that flat-out excludes huge numbers of workers from being "qualified."
Exactly describes situations I've encountered.

Seeking individuals with backgrounds specific to the employer's industry (need familiarity with materials, processes, and terminology), and having X number of years experience with the particular CAD vendor's product they utilize.

Despite living in a metro with a population over two million, outside of a couple of the most popular CAD software packages, training is not likely available locally, and the employer is not willing to provide OJT. It's a non-exempt position, so they won't pay for relo. No wonder some of these openings become perennial postings.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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i like how you skip all the posts questioning your points and asking you for examples or clarifcation and just go back to declaring "kids today! no one is qualified to work! just because! twitter twitter twitter! google aol!"
That's fine.

What that usually shows is that they don't know what they're talking about. Instead, they're just to cover their ears and reaffirm their BS.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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You can not really use that model and analogy in the construction field. Training is essential in that field. No one is born to know anything about everything and is automatically qualified for every position. I am just amazed how companies want the perfect candiate with all of these skills. I'm not entirely too convince that positions half of the times ever get filled. I wonder if companies just post these job openings just to make it look good on their records that they are hiring. I still see job openings which were originally posted months ago, perhaps since December and no one has filled the position.

You've hit on something there. I have been told by more than one employment agency that many companies will post a position already knowing who they are going to hire but because of EEOC rules, the position must be posted for X number of days.

They are also posting positions that have high turnover rates so they always have a "pool" of potential candidates - no immediate need for these people.

Then you have HR folks reviewing applications from qualified people, but not really understanding the desires of the actual department needing the employee. If an application doesn't say VERBATIM what the manager said, the applicant is dumped - even if they are qualified.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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Explain...

(otherwise employers wouldn't be whining about a talent shortage in an era where there's a record number of unemployed skilled workers)
No, you explain. You are the one that made the stupid statement.

It's hardly true that employers are looking for perfect candidates and seeking to pay ridiculous wages. It's an extreme assertion.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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Fully agree. Lots of Twitter Nation, reality show addicts with new degrees that have no idea what they want to do.

Fortunately I only need a few strong graduates each year that have a real interest in our business, and have been able to find those needles in the haystack.
I've expressed genuine interests towards companies I'm interested in and have been rejected all the same.
Maybe I should start mentioning that I don't use Twitter on my resume in addition to that.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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You've hit on something there. I have been told by more than one employment agency that many companies will post a position already knowing who they are going to hire but because of EEOC rules, the position must be posted for X number of days.

They are also posting positions that have high turnover rates so they always have a "pool" of potential candidates - no immediate need for these people.

Then you have HR folks reviewing applications from qualified people, but not really understanding the desires of the actual department needing the employee. If an application doesn't say VERBATIM what the manager said, the applicant is dumped - even if they are qualified.
I've applied to some of the places I have friends at. A lot of my friends have gone in to dig out the reason why I get rejected and usually turn up with the same thing: "We're interviewing apparently but they said we're in a hiring freeze."
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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No, you explain. You are the one that made the stupid statement.

It's hardly true that employers are looking for perfect candidates and seeking to pay ridiculous wages. It's an extreme assertion.
I'm not going to keep repeating myself because you and a few others are being thick.

See post #38.
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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No, you explain. You are the one that made the stupid statement.

It's hardly true that employers are looking for perfect candidates and seeking to pay ridiculous wages. It's an extreme assertion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/bu...anted=all&_r=0
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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I've expressed genuine interests towards companies I'm interested in and have been rejected all the same.
Maybe I should start mentioning that I don't use Twitter on my resume in addition to that.
Easy to say you are interested. You have to have demonstrated it in some tangible fashion to set yourself apart.
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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I'm not going to keep repeating myself because you and a few others are being thick.

See post #38.
#38 is a good post. It's exactly what I do as an employer.

See my reply under related thread titled: "New College" graduate.
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