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Biodiesel is $3.00 - 3.50 per gallon. The creation of Biodiesel employs American farmers, utilize and recycle used grease and renderings, don't cause economic disasters that we have seen decade after decade.
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Yeah, corn worked great for that purpose
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You do realize that if the entire country purchased alternative fuel vehicles that the costs to produce said vehicles would plummet.
Remember that DVD player use to be $2,000.00.
Now they are $50 bucks.
Economy of scale.
Live it, learn it, know it.
You do realize that the price of alt energy vehicles are not the TRUE prices for those cars right? Manufacturers may take a loss (that's certainly the case for GM's volt, at least initially, and some have said that for quite some time, Toyota didn't even make money on the Prius).
Economies of scale only work when the technology is cheap and proven. Also, keep in mind the ramifications of all of those battery-driven technologies. Is it good to have all these heavy metals floating around? What's the environmental costs of solar cells?
What is unprecedented about this is the scale and the fact that BP is dealing with the executive branch of the government. Fixing one's own mistakes and making damaged parties whole is an industry standard and it happens all the time.
Sure it does, just like Exxon and the fact that people died of old age waiting for their settlements. No, Corporations have no heart, they are bottom line driven., one of the reasons we have controls, over site, rules,regulations and policing powers.... Granted , MMS was a Government Branch of the Interior, a very corrupt one,...who you blame for that is open for discussion. Fact remains, you can't trust Big Business to do the right thing, be it Wall Street, or Big Oil.
It has worked well, it added to the value of the commodity, it employed thousands of workers, it is in every gallon of gasoline. The producers are fighting with congress to have the 10% increased to 15% so we don't have to sell the excess production to Brazil. Which is what is happening now.
If Brazil can do it, are you saying we can't?
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You do realize that the price of alt energy vehicles are not the TRUE prices for those cars right? Manufacturers may take a loss (that's certainly the case for GM's volt, at least initially, and some have said that for quite some time, Toyota didn't even make money on the Prius).
Just like cell phones, playstations, Petro oil etc.... they all start out as a loss. Economy of scale... once again.
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Economies of scale only work when the technology is cheap and proven. Also, keep in mind the ramifications of all of those battery-driven technologies. Is it good to have all these heavy metals floating around? What's the environmental costs of solar cells?
Then biofuels will have a long and prosperous future. Here is a news flash for you.
Israel - Iran, Persian gulf war = rationing, gas lines, economic collapse.
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five trillion over twenty yrs. in a 13 trillion per yr. economy is surely worth the security, health, peace and every other good reason to move in that direction.
Surely not our most difficult American challenge. The technology is there, it is merely an education process of the American consumer, and becoming serious about our reality of the real cost of Petro-OIL.
Tax subsidies?
Yes, just like every bite of food we eat is subsidized, we need to have our tax dollars develop our freedom from foreign oil and it's obvious chains that bind us as a people.
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It has worked well, it added to the value of the commodity, it employed thousands of workers, it is in every gallon of gasoline. The producers are fighting with congress to have the 10% increased to 15% so we don't have to sell the excess production to Brazil. Which is what is happening now.
If Brazil can do it, are you saying we can't?
Yes. Brazil's scale of operations is miniscule compared to ours.
The largest corn crop ever produced in the United states was about 13 billion bushels. That's a lot of corn, for sure, but one bushel of corn will yield a little under 3 gallons of ethanol (2.8).
You and I and all of our countryfolk consume something like 390,000,000 gallons of gasoline per day for transportation. To replace 15% of that would require about 21,000,000 bushels per day or about 7.5 billion bushels per year. The best we can do with ethanol is spend ridiculous amounts of time, energy and money whilst simultaneously destroying the viability of one of our chief domestic exports to effect what amounts to a band-aid that has to be phased out on the same time frame as gasoline anyway.
By the way, invest in BP: they are the heavies of domestic ethanol production.
It has worked well, it added to the value of the commodity, it employed thousands of workers, it is in every gallon of gasoline. The producers are fighting with congress to have the 10% increased to 15% so we don't have to sell the excess production to Brazil. Which is what is happening now.
If Brazil can do it, are you saying we can't?
There are major problems with corn, the least of which is the food vs. fuel problem
Biodiesel is $3.00 - 3.50 per gallon. The creation of Biodiesel employs American farmers, utilize and recycle used grease and renderings, don't cause economic disasters that we have seen decade after decade.
Require no military invasions to secure our sources and position in the world.
What is the cost of American lives and honor?
We need to think out of the greed box, the oligarch's of the world.
Which apparently has some serious costs attached to it's cheapness. Lives, Environment, health, and war.
That terrorize the world for power and position, all so we can suck cheap carbon.
I make these fuels for a living, much of what you state is inaccurate. Some of those products can be used after they are highly processed. The high degree of additional processing, and disposing of the waste generated by the processes makes the cost much higher. Lets keep this on BP Stock.
Anyway, guys, to get back on topic. I'm waiting 2 more weeks to watch the developments and I'm buying me some serious BP stock
I sincerely wish you luck on that. Unfortunately i think that you would be safer investing in blockbuster at this point....
Why 2 weeks? what will that show you?
BP isn't even worth the fines that they are going to be paying, let alone the restitution to all the jobs that will be vaporized after 1 tropical storm washes the oil around to the east coast.
Tell you what, give me your investment dollars and i'll go wipe up some oil with it.
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