Rode as a passenger in brand new Kia Optima, my impression (vehicle, joint)
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The thing is that i'm used to a stiff ride. My BMW is very stiff because of the sport suspension and when I don't drive it for a while it takes a while to get used to again compared to my Mercedes which has it's own firm, but comfortable more quite ride. Even with the top up or down the BMW is still more quiet than the KIA.
My SO drives a 4runner and the ride is better than the KIA.
Of course you cannot compare German sedans with cheap Korean boats, there is no comparison.
Every time when getting back from trips where I had to rent a sedan, the more I could appreciate upon return my BMW or Audi (even VW) who are head and shoulders above regular budget sedans.
The Ford Fusion has probably the best ride quality in terms of comfort, with zero road noise in it's class. The added weight of the Fusion with it's layers of sound deadeners makes a big difference.
I rented one for a week and was a awesome car to not only to drive, but to ride in.
Kia is focused on sportiness, while Hyundai is tuned for comfort or so it seems.
You're missing the big exception to that rule: Honda. They have always cared about the driving experience.
I wouldn't say that today. They don't really have any sports oriented cars in their lineup and the last few generation of Honda's have focused on selling a higher volume above all else.
I wouldn't say that today. They don't really have any sports oriented cars in their lineup and the last few generation of Honda's have focused on selling a higher volume above all else.
That is the ultimate goal of every successful business
That is the ultimate goal of every successful business
No, not at all. In fact Honda's last two CEO's recently held meetings with the current CEO where they lambasted him for sacrificing quality for higher volume. Sacrificing quality for volume is the exact opposite of the ultimate goal of every successful business. Successful businesses increase volume while maintaining or improving quality.
No, not at all. In fact Honda's last two CEO's recently held meetings with the current CEO where they lambasted him for sacrificing quality for higher volume. Sacrificing quality for volume is the exact opposite of the ultimate goal of every successful business. Successful businesses increase volume while maintaining or improving quality.
Quality and volume aren't mutually exclusive.
But at the end of the day if their sales numbers go down, people get fired.
Same as Sonata, Altima, Camry, etc in their class all are terrible handling cars that drive like boats.
Great for people that all their care about is to get from A to B, definitely not passionate driver's cars...
Don't hate on Altimas. The R version is quite agile. Camry can be made into a very agile ride with a ~400$ investment.
hyndai and kia, however, is going to stay cheap piece of crap boxes with no decent resale value unless you're trading for the same brand./puke
and - by god - I agree with the last point.
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Originally Posted by IShootNikon
That is the ultimate goal of every successful business
Oh rly?
Lets tell this to Toyoda family (though, they're a mass producers, so not a very good example).
Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati, Zonda are not looking to mass produce. Never have.
In retrospect, I guess, Lambo is also a bad example, since this is a car family that was built completely on spite..
Don't hate on Altimas. The R version is quite agile. Camry can be made into a very agile ride with a ~400$ investment.
hyndai and kia, however, is going to stay cheap piece of crap boxes with no decent resale value unless you're trading for the same brand./puke
and - by god - I agree with the last point.
Oh rly?
Lets tell this to Toyoda family (though, they're a mass producers, so not a very good example).
Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati, Zonda are not looking to mass produce. Never have.
In retrospect, I guess, Lambo is also a bad example, since this is a car family that was built completely on spite..
Altima's and Camry's will never be drivers cars outside of a scenario where you spend obscene amounts of money turning it into somethings its not. You'd have better luck with the Kia/Hyundai products as they tend to be turbocharged and make make massive power with aftermarket ECU tunes. I recall seeing a 2.0T Sonata a few years ago hit something like 330whp on a dyno which is pretty ridiculous. Either way, your typical mid size sedan will never be a sports car.
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