Arizona's Immigration Law for Houston (Bellaire, Post: insurance, costs, vehicles)

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Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

I've said it before and I'll say it again. My wife is a dark Mexican-American female who happens to be rather conservative. She is so offended by this law that she will never go to Arizona. It seems to me most Hispanics are not for this law. Don't you think it's a rather big coincidence that Arizonans favor the law 70-30 and the state is 30 percent Hispanic?

I'm a bit confused by what's stated in the bill 'cause I only read a glimpse of it, but it's something along the lines of asking for proof of citizenship in the case of a person not being able to produce a driver's license or any other form of identification. It doesn't seems as bad anymore, but the people here are saying many different things.

[blkgiraffe]

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

I've said it before and I'll say it again. My wife is a dark Mexican-American female who happens to be rather conservative. She is so offended by this law that she will never go to Arizona. It seems to me most Hispanics are not for this law. Don't you think it's a rather big coincidence that Arizonans favor the law 70-30 and the state is 30 percent Hispanic?

I feel regardless of what type of action or laws are implemented in response to illegal immigration; Hispanics or Latinos (whatever) will still call it prejudice or racist. This whole "White people are evil" and "Whites are against Mexicans" have been going on long before this law was brought up. It's a weak argument and it pisses me off when they try to compare their issues with the Civil Rights Movement and MLK. Completely different situations.

[crbcrbrgv]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

I feel regardless of what type of action or laws are implemented in response to illegal immigration; Hispanics or Latinos (whatever) will still call it prejudice or racist. This whole "White people are evil" and "Whites are against Mexicans" have been going on long before this law was brought up. It's a weak argument and it pisses me off when they try to compare their issues with the Civil Rights Movement and MLK. Completely different situations.

Where did you get that from my post? I never said my wife believes white people are evil. Hell, she's married to me. What pisses her off is the blatant disregard for the 4th Amendment as American citizens such as herself might be subjected to racial profiling.

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Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

Where did you get that from my post? I never said my wife believes white people are evil. Hell, she's married to me. What pisses her off is the blatant disregard for the 4th Amendment as American citizens such as herself might be subjected to racial profiling.

That part wasn't really meant for your wife; just the fact how Latinos try and make it seem as if this is racist. Everyone keeps bringing up racial profiling, but the 4th Amendment hasn't put a halt to it; it still happens everyday in America.

Why do you think it's mostly blacks who are incarcerated for drug or weapon charges??? I bet lots of these dudes are pulled over for no reason other than the color of their skin. It's reality and regardless of this law being passed or not; racial profiling will exist.

[crbcrbrgv]

I don't disagree with you.

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When "Hispanics" stop crossing the border in large numbers and legally, this wouldn't be a problem. It's just the time period we live in.

[SteveArmy]

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

I've said it before and I'll say it again. My wife is a dark Mexican-American female who happens to be rather conservative. She is so offended by this law that she will never go to Arizona. It seems to me most Hispanics are not for this law. Don't you think it's a rather big coincidence that Arizonans favor the law 70-30 and the state is 30 percent Hispanic?

i bet you a huge chunk of the 70% are asians and legal hispanics

[cjester]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

That part wasn't really meant for your wife; just the fact how Latinos try and make it seem as if this is racist. Everyone keeps bringing up racial profiling, but the 4th Amendment hasn't put a halt to it; it still happens everyday in America.
It's reality and regardless of this law being passed or not; racial profiling will exist.

Are you saying to just get rid of the 4th amendment because it's useless?
IMO the amendment does help to some extent sway some jurors to the defendant's side. However I am against a law that legally gives the right for the police to profile a race of people and force them to carry their birth certificate or their Nat papers.
This law is specifically directed to citizens who look Mexican or American Indian. (That’s the race of Hispanics that abound in AZ). IMO I don't care if people are racists, as long as it is not out in the open and supported by a written law.

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Originally Posted by cjester

However I am against a law that legally gives the right for the police to profile a race of people and force them to carry their birth certificate or their Nat papers.

I would too, but I think they saved face by changing it to "if you don't carry identification, we'll want to check your citizenship status to see in case you aren't an illegal for not having identification since, well, you should be carrying identification in the first place".

[Vicman]

RB4, people will compare both events to one another.

Hitler classified "Jewishness" as a race - Jews could not escape this "classification" by conversion.

People are indeed comparing Arizona's law to the *start* of Nazi Germany's restrictions on Jews. See, Nazi Germany's actions started with a few laws and unfolded slowly.

Originally Posted by rb4browns

Jews were citizens of the countries that they were kidnapped from and/or murdered in. Don't compare Arizona's attempt to prod the Federal Government with the the Nazi Holocaust. Viva la Raza...

Tell that to the State of Arizona and the State of Texas.

Originally Posted by glorplaxy

It still can't be a race, as a white hispanic and a black hispanic are of different races.